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Just like the intro says, does anyone have first hand knowledge of the new style 10x50x60 nikko diamond scopes?
I have read that they are a whole new breed and not to be likened to the stuff of old......
Any opinions?
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Thanks, but I already live on an Island.................
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While I don't have any experience with Nikko, I think the usable power range would be 10 - 20 power. From 20 and up, I don't think you would be able to focus to your expectations - especially at the higher ranges. Some manufacturers tantalize potential buyers with these high power scopes, only to disappoint when you actually see what the real usable range is. 
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For me personally, I think the 60mm bell would be the deal breaker. I don't like the 56mm, with a 60mm you might as well mount a Meade Starfinder on the dang thing!!!  
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If it is a Nikko Sterling, you would do better with iron sights. I say this from experience. That brand is nothing but a not so polished piece of k9 fecal matter.
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Well, I wasn't born yesterday, so if something seems to good to be true...................
BUTTTT
This scope is over 700 clams in yankee bux!!!!
There are a LOT of decent scopes in that price range........
For me, and the shooting I would do with this scope, I could care less if it had a 70mm objective...

If anyone hears of any FIRST HAND reports on this, please sing out, thanks,
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Call or email  www.legacysports.com/ They do not provide much information on the web site. Normally you expect strong endorsement on the distributors web site if they feel it is a good product.
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Cdog, havnt been around Optics Talk for quite a while.  I have done alot of research on the Nikko 10-50x60 "new" model.  Next step is to call SWFA to make the purchase.

  What would you like to know?
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I would like to know if a company that generally makes 10 dollar chinese scopes has actually made something worth an 800 dollar price tag????????????
I am also curious as to why everything is now side focus when the adj objective is optically superior? Is this just for convenience?
An update when you get your scope would be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks for your help,
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I just remembered that the story is floating around that Falcon is going to come out with a very similar offering later this year, have you any inside knowledge on this?
Thanks again,
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The following statement from their website on the Diamond page would have me looking elsewhere:
 
"Put simply the larger 30mm body tubes allow designers to make a riflescope that captures more light to be delivered to your eye. This is critical inlow light hunting."
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The only person I know personally who had real experience with Nikko Sterling got rid of it for an NcStar, which he says is far superior.  He lives in S.Africa and night hunts big cats killing his livestock with it.  Doesn't say much for the NS, in my book.  
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Cdog, allow me to stir up some muck!!!!!!  I used to be quite good at it, so here is the crap on Nikko.

   The Nikko Diamond is 100% built in "JAPAN".  This applies only to the 10-50x60 " Diamond Sportsman".  As best as my research tells me, and this aint off the net, Im talking to people over the phone so when they start lieing to me I can let them have a piece or 2.!!

  I plan to purchase this scope to see for myself, so for now this is what Ive been told. In 2008 they had some mechanical refinements. The lens system has been improved to create even more clarity than before. This Nikko didnt have any clarity problems before either. The side focus system was relocated to stop POI changes, it is shorter and weighs less than before(10%) and now has 54 moa of total elevation.  Jap camera grade lens systems arent too shabby.  1/8 click turrets which have been improved from the early model and the mil-dot reticle uses a dot that is close to a 1/8 moa target dot. The intersection is clear, no dot in the center like the depictions show you on the web sites.

   Im a 100% USA kind of shooter, and I own 2 Niteforce 12-42x56 BR scopes that I shoot on a regular basis.  This Nikko 10-50x60 sits in the same length and weighs 37ozs. compared to the NS at 36ozs.  For the sake of argueing, 1300.00 vrs 800.00 is going to cause me to investigate further.  I am going to buy one.

  Now for the real pisser, I also shoot with a Falcon T-35. It isnt made anymore and this is a "BIG" mistake.  Falcon has devoted 100% of their energy on the Menace line, and I can probably see why.  Now I am going to be challanged on all this, so lets make it good. I shoot a 600yard bench match at least once a month, all year.  This Falcon T-35 just buggs the crap out of the NS shooters to no end.  400.00 vrs 1300.00, yah, it would bug me too and it does. They all want to sit behind this scope for some minutes just cussing about the money they spent.  The Falcon 10-50x60 was next in line but Nikko beat them to it.

  Now, there is supposed to be a Hi-Mag Variable Super Sniper comming soon, just to be fair, and I want to see it.  It is getting pretty interesting, aint it.??  Now you nite Force lovers know full well, just as I do that they are just a bit short on optics.  The Chinese really dont impress me at all, but when it comes from JAPAN it sure does.

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I wonder if there are any Nikko dealers in Canada?
I would also wonder about warrany wok.
There is an excellent vendor up here for falcon optics and perhaps I should go that route...
I would be very interested to hear about your opinions on the nikko when you get a chance to play with it.
Thanks again,
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Well look at that, said I was going to buy one here at SWFA,
so the price goes up to match that of the competition.  Well,
it does make things easier.
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Can't wait to get your opinion on this rig first hand!
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Well, the process has begun.  When I get this thing in my hands I will "pick" it apart. Ive always been "to the point" in my life, so good or bad I will let you know if this scope is worth the $850.00 or not.  If I can resolve bullet holes @50x and at 600 yards without any "major" problems, I will let you know.  Being "pointed" doesnt mean "anal"  so expect an honest review.
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Sounds great, I also agree with the foolishness of brand loyalty.
If the product is fine, great, if it is a turd, fine too, regardless of who makes it.
I'll be impatiently awaiting your review, thanks again,
Cdog.
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Any updates?
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Yes there are some updates.  Its been a bit of a wait, so hopefully good things come with time.  I will have my first look at this scope about mid week, 5-6-09 to be exact.

   In talking with SWFA, first impressions are "Im impressed" .   Optics are quite clear @ 50x and the guys state it is "quite a deal"for under $1000.00..   First thing to do is get it to the range to see just what a target with some holes in it looks  like at 600 yards.

  In typical fashion, SWFA took this thing outside in the daylight to see just what was going on and came back with the " Im impressed" statement.  I can only presume that their judgement when it comes to optical clarity should be "better than mine". 

  600 yards will be the limit of range for any comments generated at this time.  1000 yards is available but not readily acessable, so if it passes the 600 yard punishment I will take it to the next level.

  The fact that the glass has recieved positive remarks has left me ready and willing to move forward, frankly I cant wait to get this thing in my hands.  Tracking and repetability along with any mechanical issues are going to get alot of attention.

  Like I stated earlier, " I aint going to be anal" about all this.  If its worth the money spent I will be fair and honest  about "all" of my findings.  And let me say this, I am by no means an "optical expert", its just when you part with your hard earned dollar you should get what you pay for.  For me its right at the $1000.00 mark.
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Update; received the scope today.  Was at the range an hour later, in the mid-afternoon sun with an approx. humidity of 50% and temp approx. 84*.   Well, so far I too am impressed.  Bullet holes at 300yds. well defined.  This scope is no joke.!  At 600 yds, bullet holes are still well resolved.  Clarity at 600 is "CLEAR", the leaves on the trees above the birm are well defined.  No flares, smoke, fade, dimming , nothing. Damn thing is just plain clear.  The target is clear and free of any distractions.

   First thing we do is shed some weight. Remove that "ships wheel" on the parallax adj. and we are down to 32.4ozs.  From 37 as shipped.   Fit and finish is on par with any scope in its class for price, just as well done for scopes that cost about 3-400 more.  Turret function is smooth and tactile, "0" backlash in either direction.  Very positive and audible. Turrets have "0" wobble, engraving could be a bit sharper but it doesnt take away from the precision character of the scope.  The fast focus diopter is smooth and firm, "0" play in any direction. Cant find any toloerences detectable by hand. Good enough for me.

  Just one thing, 'parallax".  From 0 to 200 yards, thats it.  Today I dont seem to need any adjustments (focus) past 200yds anyway. Set it for infinity and shoot from 200 to 600 .  All this is going on while set at 50x also.  It has no problem focusing on anything at any distance while at 50x.

  will I keep it, probably.  Next comes the box test, dope from 100 to 600 yards and back again..  Just an after thought; the reticle.   Picture a heavy duplex with a mildot center. The center is very fine, like 1/8 target dots with no center dot.  For me, good for F-class or bench to 1000yards no problem.  I wont dial in the middle of a match, will hold over tac style and this reticle is well suited for this. 

   Pictures, thru the scope from 100 to 600. I will do these for yall.  Is it worth 850.00, yes. If not for anythinfg else but a fantastic view at 50x.  Will the mechanical end prove itself, I think so.  Reticle is glass etched, adjustments are precise and smooth.  No, Im not an expert. I have been playing with rifles and scope for 40 years and you just have a feel for quality when its in your hands. Thats what I think I have here.

   When its picture time, how do you load them up here on the OT?
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Had to play with this Nikko some more this morning.  Eye relief; every bit of 4" at 50x.  Exit pupil; supposed to 1.3mm at 50x, I think its more than that. Not fussy at all, picture is just too easy to find.
   Was looking at my neighbors house today, he sits about 1000yrd. away.  At 50x I can count the segments in his roof shingles.
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Just one negative, it doesnt come with a "sun shade".  Dont know yet if I can get one.  The warranty is handled thru Legacy Sports.  Talked to Gene, the owner of the company this AM:, he says its lifetime and a "swap-out" if there are any problems.


   cdog, you getting all this?
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So far so good, keep it comin'!!!!!!!!!!
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