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Hi Guys,
 
I have a new Glock 23 4th Edition on its way. I cannot see the sights all that well, especially when its getting dark... I have some Trijicon Night Sights on 2 45 Kimbers but they seem to be fading after 15 years now. I want a sight thats as FAST as possible...I have a Laser I put on my wifes 38 special. Those are pretty quick and work well, other than I sometimes fumble for the button, Her hand fits it and it simply comes on when she grips it...
 
So anyway what has been your experience?? Ideas?  A Laser Site Maybe? What works well for you with your Compact Handgun....? Oh yeah this pistol is strictly a concealed carry rig.
Thanks Jules!


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We get this question alot in the shop. After talking rite much with my military and law enforcement brothers I've started giving this advice.

For C/C and strictly self defense weapons the night sights are probably the better choice. And then only for less threatening confrontation. The reason being, lasers are ok for a limited number of occassions ie. fire control training. But it has been found that when someone becomes dependant on a laser and it doesn't work for whatever reason they either hesitate or panic. Either will likely work in the attackers favor. Night sights are good for providing cover for other soldiers and officers in a custody situation. But in a fire fight if your drawing to your eye before shooting your putting yourself behind in your own defense.
Everyone should train themselves to aim, control and connect but, you need to also train yourself to fire from the hip or any number of positions you might experience in a confrontation. Beleive it or not you can become a competent shot if this is praticed as much as any other pratice. In most confrontations you fire after being fired upon so you can't afford to waste much time returning fire.
 
In summary, both have their application. But you are less apt to hesitate with night sights and they are less likely to fail on you when you need them. Unless they are getting old as you have pointed out that they do over time.
Personally I beleive night sights are worth while but I train myself in a fasion that I am not dependant on them.
Just some food for thought. You use what you are profecient with. That is the key to survival.
Good luck in your choices.
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I shoot IDPA a bit and with a group of operators and LEO in combat-style scenarios.  I have a laser on one of my Glocks, but I seldom shoot with it.  This pistol is always avaiable in an easy to get to location for home defense, battery is change out regularly.  Everyone in my family has been familiarized with it and it provides an edge for infrequent shooters.  My personal defense carry gun is a Glock 33 and it is what I use all the time.  It doesn't have a laser, has the Glock white dot 'night enhancement" sights.  It is my "go to" in any situation with as few possible points of failure as I can make it have. The big takeaway in all the shooting sessions I attend is "depend on yourself and your own skill (which you have truly developed), have one primary handgun and a backup, for the most part, leave the "tricks" to others".  SgtD is absolutely correct that if you develop a dependence on an "enhancement" that can become a point of failure, when it does fail, it will cause hesitation at best, disorientation and a failure in confidence... which can lead to total failure to perform... at worst.  
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I tell people to learn the hangun inside and out. Practice practice practice shooting, drawing it out. Make the mostions and aiming instinct. Then put a laser on it so you have all the options. Shoot in every position. When it comes to a bad situation, muscle memory and instinct will do more for you than a laser. But the laser is still another great tool to use.
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Thanks Sarge, Andrew and Dan!!! I always appreciate your opinions , nice to talk with folks with others whom have experience....
 
Just ordered a Milt Sparks in pant holster from Brownells. They even had it in stock, always fun to get a new pistolBucky
Later J
 
For some reason, Im really excited about rthis new Glock 23, I wish it would get hereRoll Eyes. Usually I forget all about the item after I place the order....


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Our IDPA club shoots indoors 2 matches a month, run a lot of dark stages, just have to cut the lights out.  After shooting and seeing a whole lot of rounds fired am convinced night sights with a seperate hand held flashlight is the best solution for personal defence.  Lets you look without pointing a loaded pistol at unidentified targets. Sight picture is the one most people are used to. Ambient light is enough to use the Night sights in most conditons.
 
However one match a month we don't use IDPA rules & allow any set up.  Pistol mounted lights and lasers are allowed. One guy shoots his laser equiped S&W J Frame very well. Might be a laser sight and seperate flashlight is a good solution. I prefer TriJicons
 
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laser sights are for teasing your dog.
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Lasers are good for shooting off balance and from awkward positions, which are very possible in a self defense situation. Myself, I don't own one. I use my Sig night sites and a flashlight.
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

...And then only for less threatening confrontation.

Wow... Where to begin, are you advocating that a concealed carry permit holder draw and aim his weapon in something less than the threat of serious bodily injury or death? Or dose less threatening mean only one guy with a baseball bat? Should I whip out my gat if I feel threatened by some guy wearing the exact same combat boots as me?

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Night sights are good for providing cover for other soldiers and officers in a custody situation.

I have always used cover as a term for objects that stop bullets. If I understand you correctly you are telling me when it's critical and other officers are close by the ability to aim is important?

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

But in a fire fight if your drawing to your eye before shooting your putting yourself behind in your own defense.


So are we talking about a self defense scenario on the mean streets of any town USA or are we talking about suppressive fire in Afghanistan? Are you advocating throwing suppressive lead down range at the local stop and rob?

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Everyone should train themselves to aim, control and connect but, you need to also train yourself to fire from the hip or any number of positions you might experience in a confrontation.


So aim control and hitting your intended target are unimportant?

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Beleive (sic) it or not you can become a competent shot if this is praticed (sic) as much as any other pratice.(sic) In most confrontations you fire after being fired upon so you can't afford to waste much time returning fire.


So is accurate fire a waste of time?
 

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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Everyone should train themselves to aim, control and connect but, you need to also train yourself to fire from the hip or any number of positions you might experience in a confrontation.


Aim and control and hitting the target are unimportant? I don't know where in the military you learned that but, I was taught it is paramount to control and aim my weapon even when using suppressive fire or shifting fire. I was also taught basic firearm safety.  There is so much wrong with what you are saying it is not funny.




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Originally posted by hedonistic hedonistic wrote:

Should I whip out my gat if I feel threatened by some guy wearing the exact same combat boots as me?
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Back to the O.P.s question. I own and use a handgun laser. I think that they are a good tool but, secondary. A social pistol should have night sights. Lasers are great for training new shooters. People new to laser sights tend to slow way down and try to be far more precise, often they lead to jerking the trigger when the beam is right whee they want it. So long as you are not dependent on the laser its a good option, I do not care for a laser that you can not turn off. However unlikely it may be if I need to find my way out of a dark area with a gun in my hand I don't want to advertise my position.  I also don't want it on for most of my target shooting. For unconventional positions and intimidation lasers work, for my wife who really dose not like to shoot the laser is great, here Honey put the dot on the door and call 911.  
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