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 The next time I hear how well Bush and Cheney did for our country ... all had better read this from the wall street journal !!!
 
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It is NEVER a good thing for the government to step outside of it's mandated responsibility. It matters not for what reason, whether it is for a single person or for a group, or any entity. When the government starts bailing out private sector institutions that are weak that is FACISM. Telling businesses that they have to employ x number of this race, this gender etc. That is FACISM.
Fact is the problems we are having in this Country right now are less due to a financial plan from any party, and are far more due to the given political climate of today. The intire idea that somehow the GOVCO is supposed to be there for all of these crisis is absurd.
The idea that the GOVCO should be putting caps and stop gaps in place in a free economy is absurd.
We have a 6% unemployment rate right now, the thirties was 30% hardly a comparison.
If we were to tackle this illegal immigration issue, there would be more jobs available for working minded Americans.
Let the non working minded Americans starve for a few and they will change their mentality soon enough as well.
Put our government back on it's Constitutionally mandated schedule and size, will mean far less tax burden, and more money in the pockets of Americans. Less taxes on American businesses will also mean more jobs here. as at that time more domestic businesses will be doing business at home instead of abroad. It isn't hard to see the problem, and it isn't Bush's fault. IT'S AMERICAN VOTERS FAULT that we have allowed the politicians to start talking as though we live in a democracy, WE LIVE IN A CONSTITUTIONALLY GOVERNED REPUBLIC. This very notion is what made this Country what it was, and we are going away from those principles.
 


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John Kerry would have done better?  The dems run idiots.  Honestly, this should be laid at the feet of Greenspan.
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 Who said Kerry would have done better ... why when someone points out the blatant mistakes the current admin made ... somebody thinks it's to promote democrats ???????
 It's just showing we can't elect just any republican to office ... we did that with a bumbling idiot and his crooked vice .... and look at our country now . Christ .... common sense ..... just because a person is running for office is a republican ... does'nt mean he's god almighty .... everytime I point out how we're screwed by Bush .... someone accuses me of being a DEM backer .... BULLS*IT !  Cencored 
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

IT'S AMERICAN VOTERS FAULT that we have allowed the politicians to start talking as though we live in a democracy, WE LIVE IN A CONSTITUTIONALLY GOVERNED REPUBLIC. This very notion is what made this Country what it was, and we are going away from those principles.
 


I think the elections are so rigged that is does not matter at all who we try to elect, it is actually probably pointless to even vote.  Those who actually run the country are the ones who decide who gets into office.  Just look at how they blocked out Ron Paul, he never had a chance even though he has a huge following and support. 
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Wouldn't sweat it Merc.  Just because we agree with the philosophy of a particular party does not mean that we have to agree with or tacitly support the poor performance from some of its members.
 
That's where it becomes important to voice your opinions/dissatisfaction/influence at your local member level.  We need good people  in places of power and shouldn't settle for poor performers.
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 I'm backing JOHN as we call him who volunteer ... I backed him in the primaries against Bush last time . He would have been our president now if he would'nt have made that statement blunder then of wanting to make the southern states change all their flags and remove the confederate flag portion from them . I knew then he should of kept quiet on that and about fell over then ! As you saw his chances dumped after that .... hope he's more careful this time ... although I think he will be . LOL  I'm quite sure the american people will pull the right lever ... it will be a loooooong night election night ... but through the grace of GOD ... I'm hoping he'll win . They can't elect another idiot ! Obama in office with Russia going nuts .... we'll be sunk !
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 Who said Kerry would have done better ... why when someone points out the blatant mistakes the current admin made ... somebody thinks it's to promote democrats ???????
 It's just showing we can't elect just any republican to office ... we did that with a bumbling idiot and his crooked vice .... and look at our country now . Christ .... common sense ..... just because a person is running for office is a republican ... does'nt mean he's god almighty .... everytime I point out how we're screwed by Bush .... someone accuses me of being a DEM backer .... BULLS*IT !  Cencored 
Easy brother, I don't think that was his intent. He is simply stating that we chose the lesser of the two evils. Kerry would have been worse. FAR worse. That was the only other real choice available. We got stuck with Bush because of the problems that are associated with what the people of this Country want, versus what the Constitution really allows. We as a people have got to see the truth and address that. Maybe then our career politicians will tow the Constitutional line.
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Greenspan should be tried for Treason as should others given a public trust who have sold out the American People. We dont need lobyists we need honest men not lawyers running Our Country.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Greenspan should be tried for Treason as should others given a public trust who have sold out the American People. We dont need lobyists we need honest men not lawyers running Our Country.
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 The next time I hear how well Bush and Cheney did for our country ... all had better read this from the wall street journal !!!
 
..............................You`re not properly reading the stitches on the fast balls.
 
Nevermind that during the CLINTON administration, the guidelines for making home loans were greatly relaxed in the name of doing good, in the name of political correctness for those who could not afford a home, who had NO business buying a home. Those revisions were passed by the majority of what party??? THE DEMOCRATS!!!.....Nevermind that!!!
Ah hell.... NO money down? NO PROBLEM!....NO assets? NO PROBLEM!! NO statements or stubs?? NO PROBLEM!!.....We`ll just get ya all into a house!! ANY HOUSE!
 
Nevermind that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were run by socialist democrats, WHO have made or pocketed millions and millions, who not only used poor judgement and were corrupt, but as was their sub-ordinates as well.....But nevermind all that!
 
THE F*****G DEMOCRATS,,, are up to their eye balls in this crises, which the ball started rolling during the CLINTON administration and with HIS appointments to run these agencies!!!!!
 
Nevermind that BOTH BUSH and McCAIN warned congress of this in `03 and `05 respectively and tried to address it!!.... WHAT PARTY BLOCKED SOLVING THE PROBLEM???...THE DEMOCRATS!....Nevermind that!!!......YEP! Blame it on Bush!! 
 
I don`t agree with Bush on everything, but let`s put the accountability here with this crises directly where it belongs!!!..................ON THE DAMN LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!!
 
WAKE UP!
 
 
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Actually Squeezer, the fault lies with us. We are the ones responsible for allowing these things to happen. We continually are putting the fox in the hen house, and the foxes are getting fat while we are foolish enough to ask "What happened to all the eggs and chickens?"
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Our politicians are ALL GUILTY of HIGH TREASON for doing any and everything they can to assure themselves political longevity regardless of the mandates given constitutionally speaking. Quite simply when they wish to do something which isn't Constitutional they amend the Constitution to allow it. This is at the expense of our sovereignty, security, freedom and carries with it a huge tax expense.


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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Actually Squeezer, the fault lies with us. We are the ones responsible for allowing these things to happen. We continually are putting the fox in the hen house, and the foxes are getting fat while we are foolish enough to ask "What happened to all the eggs and chickens?"
Edit to add:
Our politicians are ALL GUILTY of HIGH TREASON for doing any and everything they can to assure themselves political longevity regardless of the mandates given constitutionally speaking. Quite simply when they wish to do something which isn't Constitutional they amend the Constitution to allow it. This is at the expense of our sovereignty, security, freedom and carries with it a huge tax expense.
...................You can have all the rules, mandates, regulations possible for Wall St. and the lending institutions! However, unless there is leadership and proper management, ALL those rules and mandates are nothing more than lines written on a bill.
 
Follow the money!.....Follow the money!.........Look at the voting records!...........This crises falls squarely on the liberal CEO`s, their liberal lobbyists and the liberal members of Congress, WHO stopped ANY reform whatsoever, which in turn protected their self interests.................This business about blaming Bush, in this crises, doesn`t hold water!!
 
 
 
 
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Franklin Raines, the ousted CEO of Fannie Mae, who was found guilty and fined $24 million for cookin the books, is NOW currently advising Obama on economic policy. Obama says he warned and suggested reforms earlier this year and earlier than that,,, when HE DID NOT!....OBAMA is a LIAR,,,, AND,,,,, A FRAUD!!!
 
Obama was second in line behind Chris Dodd in receiving top dollar contributions from Fannie Mae that was run by whom????........... LIBERALS!!!
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Actually Squeezer, the fault lies with us. We are the ones responsible for allowing these things to happen. We continually are putting the fox in the hen house, and the foxes are getting fat while we are foolish enough to ask "What happened to all the eggs and chickens?"
Edit to add:
Our politicians are ALL GUILTY of HIGH TREASON for doing any and everything they can to assure themselves political longevity regardless of the mandates given constitutionally speaking. Quite simply when they wish to do something which isn't Constitutional they amend the Constitution to allow it. This is at the expense of our sovereignty, security, freedom and carries with it a huge tax expense.
 
If the people could vote for a honest candidate yours would be a true statement. The people are only allowed to cast votes for the candidates put up by the crooks that have control of the party. BOTH PARTY'S! Political party's should be abolished  unless the people can vote for the people truly in charge instead of only for the paid puppets.
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That's not entirely accurate. You see politicians are a mirror image of the people that put them in office. They would be better if we as a people were better. We simply don't demand it of them. They will abuse the power and trust we give them because of the entitlement mentality of the voting base. As I said this is a Constitutionally regulated Republic. Politicians are ignoring or wholesale changing the Constitution for political gain. We are letting them do it.
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 Yea here we go again ... the taxpayer is bailing out the crooked ... blood sucking executives of the big corp.'s again !!! But did you notice NONE OF THEM ARE GETING FIRED or fined !!!  Well ... I guess I'm just bitter and am clinging to my guns .... and whining about the economy .... at least that's what our polititions tell me .... from both sides . They locked up the Enron guys .... I want to see how many b*st*rds are fired for this fiasco .... none I'll bet .... the latest news i heard was it will eventually cost the taxpayer at least a trillion dollars in the end . Freddy mac and the other investment companies should have to fire any and all top level executives at the least .  John ... McCain is about as pissed as I am .... man we need him like 8 years ago !

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A wise friend of mine once asked me what was the MOST important thing that people want. I replied money. He said " No, it's power" he explained with power you will have money, but the objective is to have power over people so that you can get what you want by having someone else to get it for you and have them endebted to you. He said, "Why else would someone spend more money to run for an office than what that office pays. It's for the power and with that they will get the money back many times over".
A teacher told my class that the difference between a politician and a statesman was that a politician was in office for himself and a statesman was in office for his country. Why does everyone in office call themselves politicians?
I agree with Merc on many things, but not this one. Is Bush perfect, no. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so has every president before him. Bush's biggest problem has been all those politicians and people seeking power at our expense.
That's just my thoughts on the topic for now.
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A couple of questions, gentlemen:

Earlier in this thread someone said that Greenspan should be tried for treason.  I am very curious as to where Greenspan committed treason.

Another observation: it looks like this lunacy of blaming some unidentified "corporations" for all of our problems has even penetrated this forum.  "Corporations" are the new boogeyman, I suppose.   Corporations of some sort employ most of us.  If you think they make too much money, feel free to become a shareholder.  As for Enron, the best I can tell Enron did not really break the law.  The government simply decided to make an example of them.

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Corporations are not at fault. The fault lies solely with the Government for bastardizing a free economy at the behest of those that are too full of laziness and envy to actually better their own lives. They'd rather sit there and point fingers and scream about how unfair it all is.
One more thing while we are on the subject. Did any of you take the opportunity to buy some bargain stocks? It's during the swings of the market that people make the most amount of money.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Corporations are not at fault. The fault lies solely with the Government for bastardizing a free economy at the behest of those that are too full of laziness and envy to actually better their own lives. They'd rather sit there and point fingers and scream about how unfair it all is.
One more thing while we are on the subject. Did any of you take the opportunity to buy some bargain stocks? It's during the swings of the market that people make the most amount of money.


Spot on, sir.  As a side note, I am using the opportunity indeed.  My investment horizon is long and I am laying the foundation for it right now.

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If you have the power, you can screw all kinds of people out of their paychecks, just like the Democrats.QuickieAnd you don't even have to kiss them!Kiss
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Corporations are not at fault. The fault lies solely with the Government for bastardizing a free economy at the behest of those that are too full of laziness and envy to actually better their own lives. They'd rather sit there and point fingers and scream about how unfair it all is.
One more thing while we are on the subject. Did any of you take the opportunity to buy some bargain stocks? It's during the swings of the market that people make the most amount of money.


Spot on, sir.  As a side note, I am using the opportunity indeed.  My investment horizon is long and I am laying the foundation for it right now.

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