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I am starting a parts list to do a high-end sniper rifle. Specifically, a remington 700 xcr that I intend to set into a Bell & Carlson Tactical Medalist A5 Fully Adjustable stock, add a bi-pod and I should have the beginnings of a fairly decent sniper rifle less the MOST-important part, the optic. I want a scope that will, in effect, outrange the 308 caliber projectile the rifle will be chambered in. So variable mag is a must and my price range is around $600.00. Ive already done a cheap conversion sporter rifle from a Mosin Nagant 91/30, I put a Burris fullfield 2 3-9x50 on it and liked it ok but i want more range and magnification. Maybe I am having visions of pulling off ridiculously long range shots?? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks 
Also- I posted a pick of the mosin just for kicks 
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I use a 10x SS all the way out to 1000yds.  Are you looking at poking paper or what?
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A 1x scope will outrange any rifle in any caliber.
Did you have a specific brand, line, or mag range to correlate to your budget number?
If so these guys can pin it down real fast for ya.
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
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  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
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Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope Duplex Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU56140
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
$754.95
Nikko Stirling 10-50x60 Diamond Sportsman 30mm Riflescope NATO Nikko Stirling 10-50x60 Diamond Sportsman 30mm Riflescope
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  • 30mm
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Which of the three above appeals to you and why?
 
You sound like a prime cantidate to buy a 50 BMG or  338 Lapua, did this have anything to do with a bet with your boss?   
 
 
 
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First and foremost, welcome.

Next, I'd recommend dropping the "sniper" part and possibly substituting "precision", unless you are a billeted sniper or the word is included in the riffle name - as in a Remington Police Sniper Special (PSS.)

At what ranges will you be shooting?
What is your knowledge and training in precision shooting?


I wouldn't plan on any long range shots initially, start at 100 yards and work your way out from that.  Precision shooting ain't like what you've seen in the movies.
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Welcome. Rancid has some good advise.
Also put a new custom trigger on your shopping list.
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Yeah pretty much just to poke paper, but I want it to be there if I need it sort of thing, if that makes sense. I was looking on the swfa website and the SWFA SS 20x42 Tactical Riflescope, Any thoughts on this particular scope? Also, if my choice is rookie-like Hence the name Newbie!
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A timney drop-in any good for 700's that is what I put in my M-4 and love it?
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Not really I am open to suggestions from people with more precision experience than me. This is why I made this post.
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I'd get a 3-9SS for your rifle, that will do what you need.

Never compromise glass for magnification, good glass beats more magnification every time!

For an all-purpose rifle, 20X is way too much magnification.

A good smith can smooth your trigger, but yes, Timney makes nice triggers.

And, finally, don't skimp on base and rings, get good stuff, Badger, Seekins, TPS...
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I am new (Hence the Handle Newbie) so "Sniper" was a generic Term"precision" should be substituted-OK Nope (just a paper-poker) and the rifle doesnt _to my knowledge_have "sniper" in it's title.
  I want to basically (ZERO) at 200-300yrds and adjust after that. My reasoning is my M-4 can easily reach to 200yds, my Mosin from 2-300yds, and I am wanting something strictly for 300 plus. Bi-pod proposition only at this point and I realize with this much mag, I will be restricted to "static" Targets only.
   My Training or level of knowledge is Beginner at best, but this is something I want to start. After I build the rifle I intend to record every shot I take with it.
   I have done the 100yd shots and trained with 22cals at that distance and with the M-4 and the Mosin Nagant. I realize I am not going to start right out and be Carlos Hathcock but I have been trained by our Military and shot extensively after that.
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Really, none of the above because the first option I have in a Burris Fullfield 2, The Second is not Mil-Dot and the 3rd is out of my price range. If I had to make a choice I would say the Leupold if it was a mil-dot.
 My reasoning is listed in the post elsewhere.
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Which Badger, Seekins, or TPS? Also, How do I post a pic on here the mosin I built doesn't show up?
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Badger base for a Remington 700...... and rings that match what scope you are getting ie. 30mm or 1"......
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What base depends on what scope; some have too little elevation range to mount on a 20MOA base.  Though it is far from the elast expensive, I would recommend Badger 20MOA base, Badger (or Seekins or TPS) rings, and the 3-9SS.
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I think a standard Omoa base will work with the SS variable fine to get out to the 100yd mark.Thinking
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Again, I am not interested in shooting at 100yrds i can do that with a 22cal or any other rifle i currently have I am wanting to shoot Long Distances 1-2000yrds and be able to hit a cantalope sized target ie:HEAD-SIZED. I realize the scope is only part of this equation but is an important one.
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USAF. i would rather spend more and not regret poor quality later.
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OUCH Though $300.00 for the mount and the rings? Oh well that is extreme for me but i still think its something i can do over time.
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I was in your shoes along time ago. These guys gave me alot of good advice. I already had my rifle when I got on here. My best advice is this SAVE YOUR MONEY and get something you wont regret. It took me 8 months to save for the rifle, and it took 1 1/2 years to save for the scope(base,rings too).
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At this point I'd say you are on the right track but need a bit of added info to be able to understand what it takes to do what you are talking about.  Basically past 1000 is guys who not only have the correct rifle scope and mount but a hell of a lot of practice and training. Past 600 is tough for a lot of guys because wind plays a significant factor.  Now we need to go into what it takes to get to say 1000 yds.  If you consider that a 1000 yd target with a 10 power scope will look the same as a target at 100 yds with open sights that gives you some idea.  I will add at this point that shooting at stuff under 100 yds that moves is very difficult with a 10 power scope because it is hard to get on target - that changes significantly with a 6 power scope or lower which you can get on target under 100 yds with.   Varible scopes give you the ability to work at higher power when you are on the range shooting targets and still be able to dial down to lower power to get onto targets under 100 yds.   Objective size makes a difference in what power a scope is bright at in low light.  a 6x42 scope  has   42mm divided by 6 = 7mm exit eye pupil which is as bright as a young man could possibly use.   50 mm will be bright at 7x and 56 mm will be birght at 8x so when the sun starts to go down you reduce the power of the variable scope to brighten the image if you have a variable.  If you have a fixed power like a 20x fixed power you can not dial down the power to brighten the image and the scope looks grey.  Regarding tube size most scopes are either 1 inch tubes or 30 mm tubes some are larger.  The size of the tube make a difference in how much internal adjustment a scope has.   The amount of internal adjustment varies considerably between different manufacturers and also between different models of the same manufacturer.   If a guy hand loaded .308 ammo and shot a 190 gr sierra matchking at 2600 ft per sec and Zeroed the rifle at 100 yds
Range    Drop in Mil      Drop in MOA (minute of angle)
100yds               0                      0
300                   -1.4                  -4.9
600                   -4.5                  -15.6
900                    -8.9                 -30.5
1000                 -10.6                -36.6
1100                  -12.6                -43.4
1200                  -14.8                -50.9   So the farther out the bullet goes the slower it is traveling and the faster it drops.
With a .308 shooting a 168 gr bullet at 2600 fps at 1200 yds it drops 17.3mil or 59.4moa so even though one might think that a lighter bullet would drop less that tends not to be true at long distance the heavier bullet is more successful at fighting the effects of wind and drop - trajectory.
The advice Rancid Coolaid has given is very sound advice the 3-9x42 Super Sniper is a good choice for an all around scope.  The whole family of Super Sniper scopes has lots of internal adjustment as they were designed for military use.  The 10x HD would by my recomendation because it has parallax adjustment and the 3-9x42 does not. The 3-9x42 and the 10x HD both are mil dot scopes with adjustments that are 1/10 mil clicks.  At 100 yds a mil is equal to 3.6 inches.  A mil dot reticle is like the marks on a ruler it is a measuring device.  Both milradian and minute of angle are measurements of an angle like a piece of pie they start at a point at your eye and the two lines of the angle grow farther apart as they get farther from your eye.  One minute of angle is essentially one inch at 100 yds but one minute of angle is also  2 inches at 200 yds or 3 inches at 300 yds or 10 inches at 1000 yds.  So when a guy has tactical knobs that have 1/4 moa clicks each click moves point of impact 1/4 inch at 100 yds  or at 200 yds it moves (1/4 of 2 inches) = 1/2 inch per click or at 300 yds   (1/4 of 3 inches) = .75 inch per click.  With mil based clicks each click is about 1/3 of one inche at 100 yds since at 100 yds one mil is 3.6 inches  so a tenth is .36 inch.  At 1000 yds one mil is 36 inches so each click at 1000 yds would move impact a tenth or 3.6 inches per click. http://www.mil-dot.com/       http://www.mildot.com/   
So if a guy wants to shoot long range the first question he has to ask about a scope he is looking at is how much internal adjustment does it have.   You have to figure that of that total be it 50 moa or 70 moa or 100 moa or more that half is below and half is above most of the time.  One can use a plus 20 moa base or plus 30 moa base with some scopes to add more room above to adjust upward. "Which Badger, Seekins, or TPS" depends on what scope you choose because scopes come in different tube size 1 in or 30 mm are the most common  and scopes have different size objectives  42mm, 50mm,  56mm and some larger.
The great guys at SWFA customer service will help you to select the correct height rings for your rifle.  Personally I would say buy a Remmington R5 mil spec in 300 Win Mag or .308 or buy a Tikka in 300 Win Mag or .308 and start with those because they are known sub moa guns with no guesswork.  Many is the guy who has dumped tons of money into a rifle tricking it out to find out it does not shoot well.  I have  such a rifle in my basement a 300WSM Winchester coyote lite and it will soon get traded for - yea you guessed it either an R5 or a Tikka.  Since you have an M4 style rifle you have up close covered and really dont need to worry so much about under 100 unless you hunt.  While 10 x is workable from a stand with plenty of time it is not ideal for stalking under 100 yds but it is still workable and great in that say 200 to 800 yd range where stuff happens. 10x can be hunted you just have to understand your limitations and  hunt from a fixed position or stalk from one fixed position with a solid rest to another fixed position with a solid rest.  More than 10x will cause you huge problems trying to hand hold it with no rest and shoot.  So  this is the scope that is on my .308 Designated Marksman rifle for Police Use.  
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Thank you for the gesture but my 6yrs in the USAF ANG as a Ssgt. doesn't really qualify for that honor. Some people I had the pleasure to share time with however, they are a different story. But, thank you anyway. Too many people over-look the ones who deserve it Excellent
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First-Off Urimaginaryfrnd ShockedWOW!!! I am very appreciative of the time/effort you put into your reponse. Are there instructional manuals that have tables like the one you made here for different Factory ammo or re-loads? I will undoubtedly be relegated to using some form of factory rounds but I have no intention of feeding it (junk) any suggestions on a specific brand? I have always had decent luck with Federal or Lake City with my M-4 ( I realize not a really good comparison but its all I really have).
   I like the idea of the SWFA SS10x42mmHD and would be willing to save up the extra $ to have around 1000.00 in a scope but I am not completely sold on the idea of (basically) looking through "irons" at 1000yrds. Do you honestly think this is enough Magnification for my intened use? If so I will pair this choice with a Badger 20moa scope base and a set of Badger Ordinance Picatinny Style Rings add the SWFA Advanced Shooter Kit to the scope and I should be all set.
Again I truly appreciate your time and expertise in this matter and "just to verify" the questions I listed here could you please repsond again and double-check my needs before I add this scope & accesssories to my Final parets list for this project?
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Yeah I have already gotten the fast (cool-looking) thrown together sporterized ex-battlerifle that it seems like everyone has to build before they can start on a real work of art. This is in the Parts-list phase at the moment and then , my favorite part, the search!! And women say men dont like to shop. - In reality we just dont think the sh*t they do is all that damned important! Barney
    But hell I can personally spend the better part of a day at a Motorcycle shop or gunshop (especially if it has a range!!)
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