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I have been shooting trap for the last few years, but have no experience with rifles.  I have a few friends that go pig hunting and wanted me to join them, so after some research yesterday I finally bought a Remington 700 SPS stainless 30-06. 

The sales guy at the store was recommending a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9x40 or a Leupoid VX-II 3-9x40.  I wanted to do some more research before the purchase, and I've been reading through theses forums.  Most of the topics cover scopes that are more expensive.  Should i be spending more?  Are the scopes he recommended worth buying?  Are there some guides I can read?  Should I stick to the $200-300 range, or is it worth the jump up to $500?  Also, he recommned low rings, then was saying low may be too short and get medium, because low may damage the scope.  Is he right?

I appreciate any advice or suggestions you have to give.  Thanks again. 


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The Nikon primos @ $200.00 is a fantastic scope and better than either the buckmaster or vxII.  As far as scope rings go, the rule of thumb is to mount the scope as low as possible without interfering with the barrel, action or bolt.  This will very from size of scope and type of rifle.
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I second the Nikon primos,You cant do better for $200.
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The 30-06 is a wonderful choice. I would recommend you find a competent gun smith and have the rifle glass bedded and the barrel free floated which will add accuracy. There are other things that can be done like having the action trued but that depends on how much you get into shooting it.  The finest tactical gunsmiths anywhere  is Tac Ops  in Ca.
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/  Tactical Operations, Inc. 
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As far as scopes go they are Use Specific. Some types of scopes work better for one thing than another thing.  The average hunting rifle will typically have a 3-9x40 scope however there are good reasons for not always following the norm and I will make some suggestions that you should consider. If you should choose to go 3-9x40  the Nikon Primos is the bargain deal, and for a few dollars more the Bushnell 4200  and a few dollars more the Zeiss Conquest (a scope nobody will question as it has awesome glass).  I tend to think that there are other factors beside great glass that increase your odds of striking your target.  Some scopes have reticles (the cross hairs) that have marks for hold over at extended distances which is nice but only works at the highest power. Other scopes have target knobs and you dial correction in to correct for the trajectory of the bullet at distance.
One thing that becomes important in hunting is a scope that works well in lower light which means a combination of good glass and either  the "Exit Eye Pupil" a term regarding how much light the scope lets through in low light.  Say you have a 42mm front objective and the scope was a fixed 6 power  42 divided by 6 gives you a 7mm exit eye pupil which is the best you could possibly be able to use.  So if you had a 3-9 x42 scope when it got dark you dial down to 6x or lower.  If you selected a 50mm objective and divided by 7mm you would be able to have maximum light transmission at 7 power and with a 56 mm scope 56 divided by 7 gives you 8 power  and anything larger than that becomes really very impractical.  Similarly a 3x scope to have a 7mm exit eye pupil would only need a 21 mm objective.
Some scopes have illuminated reticles and I happen to like that and feel it is a huge advantage particularly in low light. http://www.swfa.com/c-19-trijicon-rifle-scopes.aspx
watch the Trijicon video to understand how an illuminated reticle will help.
This is one scope I would highly recommend for low light hunting:
TR22 Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                          Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
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For anything under 200 yds I also like this Aimpoint that is a fixed 1x with 2moa dot
11417 Aimpoint 9000SC 30mm Red Dot Sight                                                                                      Aimpoint 9000SC 30mm Red Dot Sight
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When distances exceed 200 yds you tend to need some method of dialing in correction and the BDC reticle in that Nikon Primos is one way to do that.  Leatherwood makes a couple of systems that are unique to their company to dial in correction.
One system that I like very well is the tuned BDC Knobs from Kenton Ind.
http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/  They have a list of what scopes they make these for on their order form and note that any Zeiss should be able to be retrofitted with target type knobs but call them to verify before you select if you choose  that route.
I recently sent an Inquiry to Zeiss about  this scope which I think is the bargain scope of the conquest line, asking about adding target knobs and tuned BDC knobs :
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Ask your buds how far away are most of thier shots?  Most of the hog hunting I know of is in the brush,close and fast, but they seem to do everything differant in Ca.  I would look at a lower magnication scope like 2 to 7 or 1.5 to 6.  The last thing you want is a pig trying to crawl up your pant leg. 
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My advice is to keep it simple. All the things that have been said can apply but mostly as you get more experienced. Accurizing, ballistics, etc. are topics of study, IMHO, that should come after developing basic marksmanship. Your rifle, with an ordinary round, such as the Remington Core-lokt PSP 165 gr. or 180 gr. will get you out to 265 yards inside a 6" vital zone. So shoot, shoot and shoot some more. A basic 3x9 set to 3x most of the time will serve you well and probably be the easiest to sell if you choose to upgrade.

Out to 300 yards, any rifle with better than sub-2 MOA accuracy will, in the hands of an experienced shooter, perform well enough. So buy 200-400 rounds of decent hunting ammo, get good with it and if you catch the bug, well, then sooner or later you'll find the need to accurize, etc.
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Ask your buds how far away are most of thier shots?  Most of the hog hunting I know of is in the brush,close and fast, but they seem to do everything differant in Ca.  I would look at a lower magnication scope like 2 to 7 or 1.5 to 6.  The last thing you want is a pig trying to crawl up your pant leg. 
 
Boy don't you just hate that angry hawg up the pantleg thing???  Laugh    Roll on Floor Laughing
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That is what the .357 is for. 6 SHOTS FAST
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Ask your buds how far away are most of thier shots?  Most of the hog hunting I know of is in the brush,close and fast, but they seem to do everything differant in Ca.  I would look at a lower magnication scope like 2 to 7 or 1.5 to 6.  The last thing you want is a pig trying to crawl up your pant leg. 
 
Boy don't you just hate that angry hawg up the pantleg thing???  Laugh    Roll on Floor Laughing
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My experience with pig hunting in No. Kali, they dig deep in the the brush during the day and feed at dark 'o clock. If it's just for pigs, some of the low power/illuminated reticle scopes Urimaginaryfrnd  suggested are good choices for up close and quick shooting during legal hunting hours. If it's for deer too, you may want a wider power range  like a 3-9 or 2.5-10 depending on where you hunt in Kali.






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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

My advice is to keep it simple. All the things that have been said can apply but mostly as you get more experienced. Accurizing, ballistics, etc. are topics of study, IMHO, that should come after developing basic marksmanship. Your rifle, with an ordinary round, such as the Remington Core-lokt PSP 165 gr. or 180 gr. will get you out to 265 yards inside a 6" vital zone. So shoot, shoot and shoot some more. A basic 3x9 set to 3x most of the time will serve you well and probably be the easiest to sell if you choose to upgrade.

Out to 300 yards, any rifle with better than sub-2 MOA accuracy will, in the hands of an experienced shooter, perform well enough. So buy 200-400 rounds of decent hunting ammo, get good with it and if you catch the bug, well, then sooner or later you'll find the need to accurize, etc.
 
I agree with keeping it simple.  I've been shooting/hunting off and on for nearly 40 years and there are folks on this forum who have forgotten more than I'll ever know.  Don't get bogged down with too much technical stuff unless you have allot of time to learn it.  And I definitely would stick with factory ammo at first.
 
That being said you've got a good basic gun IMO.  If you don't have much experience with centerfires there's nothing like practice, practice and practice.  A 22lr can really help with technique.  As to scopes I've found an illuminated reticle really helps on the dark hides of hogs, especially if you are over the age of 50.
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From Timber's last post, what is a 22lr? Thanks.
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A 22 rifle  ( the cartridge is called 22 Long Rifle..)  One of the "funnest", greatest cartridges in the world....I love 22s.....really my favorite of favorites!!
 
Here is a row of pistol cartridges---the 22 is the little fella on the right.... 
 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Ask your buds how far away are most of thier shots?  Most of the hog hunting I know of is in the brush,close and fast, but they seem to do everything differant in Ca.  I would look at a lower magnication scope like 2 to 7 or 1.5 to 6.  The last thing you want is a pig trying to crawl up your pant leg. 
 
Boy don't you just hate that angry hawg up the pantleg thing???  Laugh    Roll on Floor Laughing
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Use this for hogs...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Use this for hogs...


and forest clearing...

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Use this for hogs...


and forest clearing...

ILya


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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Use this for hogs...


and forest clearing...

ILya
You just HAD to go and bring that up...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Use this for hogs...


and forest clearing...

ILya
You just HAD to go and bring that up...


I think it is more along the lines of compelled to bring that up rather than had to.

To this day occasionally I chuckle out of nowhere and when my wife asks me why, I just go: "well there is this guy that I know with a very unorthodox approach to forest clearing."

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It was only one tree.  

MY wife still does not know it was me. 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

It was only one tree.  

MY wife still does not know it was me. 


Mental note: this is blackmail material....

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Originally posted by brjndr brjndr wrote:

From Timber's last post, what is a 22lr? Thanks.


What I like about shooting .22 is that it is:

  1. Cheap - 3 or 4 cents a round if you get it on sale (400-500 round boxes). You can shoot a lot! And more is better.
  2. You don't have to clean the barrel near as much or as often
  3. I find it helps me forget about recoil and is far more fun than sitting around dry-firing a larger bolt-action.
  4. You can learn a lot about wind out at just 100 yards
  5. If you're cold-barrel sighting in a scope or load testing on other rifles, it gives you something to do while waiting for the barrel(s) to cool down.
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I know with my 12 gauge shotgun you can get a small cylinder that narrows the barrel at the breach, and then I could fit a 20 gauge shell in and fire it. 

Can the same thing be done with a rifle? Can a .22lr be shot from a 30-06?  Are they already the same diameter?  Thanks for being patient with my ignorance.  
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