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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/24/2004 at 14:29
JamesG View Drop Down
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I unexpectedly found and purchased a mint condition Mannlicher Schoenauer MCA carbine,  A lifelong dream of mine, I intend to shoot this firearm and use it, pretty much exclusively. This 1961 carbine is not drilled for front scope mounts so I will have a Griffin and Howe side mount installed.  The day I bought the carbine, I looked at a lot of good scopes by Leupold, Swarovski and Zeiss.  I was pretty excited already and so I realized that it was probably not the best time to make the final riflescope choice. I did come away with some impressions.  I would like to get your input on my preferences, since the dealer is a couple of hours from me, and purchasing through the mail seems more prudent.


First you should know that I have correctible vision and at 54 years of age, I also am beginning to notice that my night vision is diminishing.  Anyways, of the various scopes that I looked at, the three that left an immediate favorable impression were the Swarovski AV 3-9x36, the Zeiss VM/V 1.5-6x42 and the Zeiss VM/V 3-12x56.  I realize that the latter is too big for my size rifle but I mention it because the optics were superb throughout the entire power range up through 12X.  I would have really liked to look through a Zeiss VM/V 2.5-10x50 but they did not have one there.


Throughout my scope evaluation I noticed that the regular Plex reticles disappeared quickly against dark backgrounds and I have no interest in buying one. Also the rifle is a 20 inch barreled .308 carbine, and the shots are generally going to be well within 200 yards, so the TDS feature is not a draw for me.  I generally prefer dot reticles but they are rare now in hunting scopes, so I will most likely order the scope with the #4A Reticle.  For some reason I also had a problem looking through/focusing on 10X for the following: the Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40, the Swarovski AV 3-10x42 and the Swarovski PH 2.5-10x42.  Slightly lower power settings were fine for all of these.  I figure that the problem is probably with me focusing incorrectly for my eyes.  Frankly, I was also probably getting tired of looking through the various scopes. There was probably nothing wrong with these scopes.


I looked through the following and they were fine but their clarity/optical brilliance/whatever appeared to be less than the others mentioned:  Leupold LPS 2.5-10x45, Leupold 2.5-8x36, Swarovski PH 1.5-6x42.  The Zeiss VM/V 3-9x42 was very nice but it appeared to be too long and awkward for my purposes.  I did not look at the Kahles, and Kahles is the scope that M-S would install at the Steyr factory, but I figured that any similar sized Swarovski would be better.  I did not see a Schmidt and Bender, nor did I look through the Swarovski AV 4-12x50.


The Zeiss VM/V 1.5-6x42 optics were really immediately great but I felt that a little more magnification might be better, again I regret not being able to see through the Zeiss VM/V 2.5-10x50, and it may be too big, so your thoughts on this particular scope would be appreciated.  I was really impressed by how the Swarovski AV 3-9x36 hung right there with the others, it seemed light, well proportioned and I had no problem at all looking through the scope set at 9X.  So it should be a relative no-brainer to just go ahead and buy it with a #4A reticle from your Sample list, except that I keep reading various froum threads and book quotes stating breakdown problems with this specific scope model. If you have also experienced the same, please suggest a different model.  I looked through your web site and outside of a new Schmidt & Bender 4x36, I did not see anything else left to look at in this category.  I thank you in advance for your comments.





Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/24/2004 at 15:31
Chris Farris View Drop Down

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I think your choice of the Austrian made Swarovski 3-9x36 is absolutely perfect for your application.  We have never had a problem with this scope and have sold many over the years.  In fact I hunt with one that has seen many shots and a lot of abuse.  All products (regardless of brand or quality) will have a certain percentage of failures.  Also keep in mind there are two sides to every story and a lot of politics involved in book writing.

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