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  New to Optic talk.  I am in the market of buy a new Scope I have narrowed it down to the New Nikon Monarchs.     The only problem I am having is which Reticle.                              The scope size is the 4-16x42   the reticle are the new BDC or Nikoplex  or the Mil dot.        I have looked at the Mil-Dot but all it seems to do is confuss me.  Every one says that I am making harding than it is.  All I will be using it for is Deer hunting.  Most shots will be under 300 yards I'm sure.  I was just wondering who has the BDC reticle and are you happy with it. I will be making the purshase Friday.  So please Help before I make the wrong chioce. The scope will be going on a Win 30-06 model 70    Shotting a 165 grain bullet.      I do care a range finder on most of my hunts.           Thank you the Beanur

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Originally posted by beanur beanur wrote:

  New to Optic talk.  I am in the market of buy a new Scope I have narrowed it down to the New Nikon Monarchs.     The only problem I am having is which Reticle.                              The scope size is the 4-16x42   the reticle are the new BDC or Nikoplex  or the Mil dot.        I have looked at the Mil-Dot but all it seems to do is confuss me.  Every one says that I am making harding than it is.  All I will be using it for is Deer hunting.  Most shots will be under 300 yards I'm sure.  I was just wondering who has the BDC reticle and are you happy with it. I will be making the purshase Friday.  So please Help before I make the wrong chioce. The scope will be going on a Win 30-06 model 70    Shotting a 165 grain bullet.      I do care a range finder on most of my hunts.           Thank you the Beanur

......................I too, find that the BDC and the mildot reticles confusing, have never used them and have stayed with the plexes...... Along with my ARC rangefinder, knowing my MV, BC and bullet drop, I zero my 300 WSM in @ 300 yards for every hunt, which eliminates alot of the guesswork for shots out to 350-400 yards.
 
With your `06 zeroed in at 300 yards, you can properly place the bullet where it needs to go, into the 6" to 10" diameter vitals out to about 350 yards with very little or no guess work in holdover or hold under...........You`ll only need to worry about any crosswinds, which the BDC or the mildot reticles can`t help you with anyway............To me, that is less confusing. I`d rather rely upon myself, rather than a scopes reticles. 
 
 
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What did you say I  got lost in your picture next to your comment...  Just Kidding thanks   I also some times think old school is still good to many bells and dials just confuss me. 
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The hold overs can definitely be beneficial if you want to zero at 100 yards.  But using the maximum point blank range like Squeezer is suggesting it will work for 99% of the shots a hunter will ever take.  What you need to do is figure out the size of the vitals of the animal you are hunting an then look at the ballistics of your rifle/bullet combo and figure out at exactly what distance you need to sight in.  If your kill zone is only 8 inches then a 300 yard zero might be to much because if you shoot a shot under 100 yards your impact may be to high on the animal.  So you may need to zero at 250 instead.  All that kind of stuff needs to be determined before you zero your gun.  Then you can configure it to your exact shooting needs and the size of your game.  
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Originally posted by beanur beanur wrote:

What did you say I  got lost in your picture next to your comment...  Just Kidding thanks   I also some times think old school is still good to many bells and dials just confuss me. 
........................I am not one, that necessarily stays with the `ol school. Depends on what a new school offers........As far as scope reticles are concerned, I prefer the `ol school!
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I have not caught on with the new holdover reticles either..... they just seem too "busy" to me.  From what I hear, once you start using them, they become less busy and they work great.  The key seems to be to practice a lot with it and get comfortable.
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+1 for Big Squeeze. It doesn't sound like you need the Mil dot, and BDC reticles really are not that accurate unless setup for a specific cal., weight, and velocity.
I think your best bet is the Nikoplex reticle and a 300yd zero.
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I don't know how your 06' shoots, but trajectory tables I created for an 06' shooting 165 gr Speer HPBTs I had show the bullet will be in the neighborhood of about 5" high at 150 yds when zeroed at 300 yds. When you add the dispersion caused by field conditions, that seems a bit high to me.
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Im sure there not much differance in the hornady 165 grain 30-06   Which is what I will be using this year.
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Welcome to The OT.
 
I did sort of a review on the scope in question. Hope you find it helpful.
 
I wouldn't discount the 2.5-10x Monarch with a Nikoplex and without the side focus either. It's a lot of scope and "may" be better for big game than the BDC reticle.
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Thanks for the response  I'll  continue to think about it      Time to mow the grass...Got to keep wife happy ..............Honey dew's  Be  back in a hour or so
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i have a monarch ucc with the nikoplex and i also have a new team primos with the bdc, and to tell you the truth i like them both, they each have there place in my book,i put my bdc on my coyote rifle in case i get a longer shot i wont have to guess for aim height since i have the bdc, i will still have to guess the range though. as far as using it for deer hunting you wont notice it after you take it to the range a few times, the only time you will notice  it is when you need to use it. i dont mind the nikoplex for 100-200 yds after that i prefer the bdc or other like reticles. nikons are fine scopes between me and cheaptrick we probably own half of nikons market share.
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I think i will go with the BDC reticle now i just have to make my mind up on 4-16x42  or the 2-12x42         leaning more to the 4-16  not much difference in price  just might be to much or is there such a thing...
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I would get the 12x.  16x with a 42mm objective is going to give you a pretty small exit pupil which means the picture will darken a lot at that higher power.  You will probably not use it that much at those higher powers because of that.  And the 2x bottom end will be really nice to have as well.  A typical hunter is never going to need more than 8 or 9x on the top end.  Unless you are one of those long range hunters who shoot big bores at 1000 yards+, then you might. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would get the 12x.  16x with a 42mm objective is going to give you a pretty small exit pupil which means the picture will darken a lot at that higher power.  You will probably not use it that much at those higher powers because of that.  And the 2x bottom end will be really nice to have as well.  A typical hunter is never going to need more than 8 or 9x on the top end.  Unless you are one of those long range hunters who shoot big bores at 1000 yards+, then you might. 
i agree i dont see a need for 16x, im the type who doesnt see a need for more than 10x for most applications.
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Hows 3-12x 42mm BDC sound        
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I  guess Ill be posting a order in the morning thanks for all your help I hope I was not a pain in the ass.....With today gas I wanted to make sure I bought the right scope now Ill have enough gas to get woods and stay awhile   Thanks for all your help    3-12x42 BDC it is
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A good rule of thumb is the larger the game the smaller the power. High mag on Pds and  ground rats Animals%20%2029%20Emoticon  and 1 or 2 power  on Elephants. 
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I think Big Squeeze pretty well nailed it.  Sight in 3" high @100 and forget about it.
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 Oh well .... I love mil-dots . Once you get good with them ... can't be beat . It's just do you want to take the time to use the benefits of them . No holdover guesswork . I kill everything from whitetails to squirrels with mine . Dang chipmunks are too quick !!
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I've shot a 30-06 for years and am in a similar situation in that I'd be hard pressed to take a shot over 300 yds.  Thus, I've always sighted in 1.5-2 inches high @ 100 yds which should put you in a kill zone on anything out to 300 yds.  I don't recall the exact impact pt @ 300 yds but it is likely around 3-4 inches low (assuming a perfect shot).  Considering normal bullet shooting conditions in the field and accuracy/tolerance and depending on shooting factory ammo vs hand loads, seems to me like the higher power will likely not help the very rare 300 yd shot accuracy.  I'm also looking for a new scope and after reading many posts, considering my normal shooting history, I'm more convinced not to get something bigger than a 9 or 10x on the high end.   Just my take after reading posts by people probably more knowledgable on this isse! 
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Welcome to Optics Talk, COLOelkman!
 
Appreciate your comments.
 
I think being able to SEE the reticle in low light is more important than being able to "mill" a long shot.
 
Might be wrong because 200-300 yard shots are almost unheard of here in the NC hardwoods, but seeing the damn reticle in low light scenarios comes in REAL handy......Wink 
 
That BDC reticle is NOT laser etched and that wire reticle will go "copper" in certain lighting conditions.
Jus sayin'..... Smile 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

seeing the damn reticle in low light scenarios comes in REAL handy


Great advice, and worth repeating.
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Cheaptrick - Could you please clarify?  By being able to "SEE the reticle".   Do you have a particular reticle you think works best or are you referring to something related to what power you'd recommend.  I often hunt in dark timber but also in wide open spaces and I can relate to eyesight getting worse with age.  I'd appreciate your thoughts!
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