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I am looking for a low light scope for deer hunting that will go on a Cooper M52 in 25-06. It will be another 10 months before it arrives so I have time to save a little and hopefully make a good decision.
 
Currently, I have two Conquests and two Kahles (KX and Cl) mounted and all are great performers. The CL Multizero has held zero on my Ruger #1 in 30-06 for over four years. The CL is very clear and better at last light (also the most expensive).
 
I have been researching the Zeiss HD5 line 3-15x42 and 5-15 x 50 (5 seems high for the low range) and the Kahles KXi 3.5-10 x 50, but don't know how good/dependable the illumination system is (length of battery/auto shutoff etc.) to make an informed decision. The KXi would be at the upper limit of what I want to spend, but would spend a bit more if there is another scope that would better fit this setup.
It does not have to be a Zeiss or Kahles, but they have served me well. SWFA only carries a few Kahles, but I will not go elsewhere for optics. Who can beat their customer service?
Any and all suggestions and opinions from the friendly optics gurus here will be appreciated by this novice.
Happy Hunting!
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I would suggest taking a close look at swarovski.
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If you haven't looked at the 2-12X42 Leupold VX-6 you should give it some consideration.  I really like that scope (more than my Conquest). 
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I don't know your hunting style, intentions and habitat requirements but, keep weight in mind. My M52 was kind of heavy (about 7.75 lbs. sans scope), so I did not want a heavyweight, 50+ MM bell. I ended up using a Swaro Z3 3-10 x 42 on my first Cooper and was very pleased. Obviously, it is not illuminated, but I NEVER had any low light usage issues. If the low light thing is a big deal to you, check out the Trijicon Accupoint scopes. A 3-9 X 40 would fit nicely. They have nice glass and do not weigh a ton either. Good luck and congrats on the Cooper...it's a goodin"!!! Excellent
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The Z5 swaro would fit good I think. 

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another vote for Swaro.   can you be a little more specific about "low light" and what that means to you?  You hunting at night.. or just last legal light?
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It's your $$$$, but I wouldn't spend one dime with an OBama loving communist supporting company like Cooper.  Screw 'em.  
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

It's your $$$$, but I wouldn't spend one dime with an Obama loving communist supporting company like Cooper.  Screw 'em.  



Edited to remove a few thousand words completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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JG and rustic,

You do not have all the facts.

But here they are:

1. In 2008, Dan Cooper made a personal donation to Obama.
2. The above article relays the backlash.
3. Cooper Firearms as a company NEVER made a donation to Obama.
4. Dan Cooper soon resigned as CEO at his own employees' requests.
5. Since 2009, Cooper firearms has been under new ownership without Dan Cooper involved in ANY WAY.
6. Cooper Firearms is a made-in-the-USA rifle manufacturer that turns out top-quality firearms.

Those are the facts.

I personally know employees of the company and they are proud of their products and values. They do NOT support any anti-gun politicians what-so-ever.

To the OP,

You chose a fine rifle, and I agree with the others a Swarovski Z3 or Z5 would make a nice compliment.
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JG & Rustic - This is not a place for political agenda.  Take it elsewhere.
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right on the money Bitterroot Bulls

There is no way in hell I would spend a dime with a company that supports that traitor..

Cooper makes great rifles and have good people working there.

BTW, I had a Cooper custom made in a lightweight 25-06 (6.6lbs)
love it


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I would also check into Meopta riflescopes. They are also outstanding.
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Originally posted by stilhuntin stilhuntin wrote:

I am looking for a low light scope for deer hunting that will go on a Cooper M52 in 25-06. It will be another 10 months before it arrives so I have time to save a little and hopefully make a good decision.
 
Currently, I have two Conquests and two Kahles (KX and Cl) mounted and all are great performers. The CL Multizero has held zero on my Ruger #1 in 30-06 for over four years. The CL is very clear and better at last light (also the most expensive).
 
I have been researching the Zeiss HD5 line 3-15x42 and 5-15 x 50 (5 seems high for the low range) and the Kahles KXi 3.5-10 x 50, but don't know how good/dependable the illumination system is (length of battery/auto shutoff etc.) to make an informed decision. The KXi would be at the upper limit of what I want to spend, but would spend a bit more if there is another scope that would better fit this setup.
It does not have to be a Zeiss or Kahles, but they have served me well. SWFA only carries a few Kahles, but I will not go elsewhere for optics. Who can beat their customer service?
Any and all suggestions and opinions from the friendly optics gurus here will be appreciated by this novice.
Happy Hunting!
The new Zeiss HD5 is a true heavyweight in it's price range. In my opinion it is totally worth giving one a shot. The new Rapid Z reticles have heavy posts all the way to the outside of the image at 3, 6, and 9 O' Clock now if you are intrested in them. They are much more user friendly for hunting and low light situations. That is my recommendation. The Swaro Z5 is another viable option and they are very light weight for what they are but it is more money and after looking through the HD5 I dont know that the Swaro 3.5-18 is worth $500 more than the 3-15 HD5 Zeiss.
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good info Chris
I have an HD5 3-15 coming in soon and am anxious to check it out
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

JG and rustic,

You do not have all the facts.

But here they are:

1. In 2008, Dan Cooper made a personal donation to Obama.
2. The above article relays the backlash.
3. Cooper Firearms as a company NEVER made a donation to Obama.
4. Dan Cooper soon resigned as CEO at his own employees' requests.
5. Since 2009, Cooper firearms has been under new ownership without Dan Cooper involved in ANY WAY.
6. Cooper Firearms is a made-in-the-USA rifle manufacturer that turns out top-quality firearms.

Those are the facts.

I personally know employees of the company and they are proud of their products and values. They do NOT support any anti-gun politicians what-so-ever.

To the OP,

You chose a fine rifle, and I agree with the others a Swarovski Z3 or Z5 would make a nice compliment.



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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

JG & Rustic - This is not a place for political agenda.  Take it elsewhere.


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If you would have bothered to take the time to read all of what I posted -    you would seen that I said what happened in 08 is no longer relevant to the company as it is now.

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I would go with the 3-15X42 HD5. I would just have a hard time deciding between the plex with AVS or the RZ600.

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Bitterroot, wasn't aware  he left Cooper.  Good to know.  It was still a stupidazz thing to do though.  

Those Conquest HD's look interesting for sure.  
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Thanks for insight into the scopes. Low light for me is 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset. No one commented on the Kahles KXi and I still want to see one in person. I think the new Zeiss HD5 3- 15 x 42 would work fine, but which reticle would work best under low light conditions.
I was aware that Cooper was sold after the owner made such a dumb contribution. It is my understanding that the company that made barrels for Cooper bought them.
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Smart idea being concerned about the reticles, in whatever scope you're considering.  I absolutely loved the glass in my S&B Summit, but the thin wire reticle was useless to my 50 year old eyes after dusk.  I've only seen a Conquest HD once in person, but I believe the duplex reticle is slightly bolder in the HD than the original Conquest.  That's a good thing in my book.  
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I have tested the KXi
nice and compact, light, great glass as expected
I tried the one with the 1 mil marks with an illuminated dot at each intersection.

Here it is on a Cooper 25-06 in Talley mediums


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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

It was still a stupidazz thing to do though.    
 
Yep,
 
But the employees did what they needed to preserve their values ... and the company. 
 
Under the new ownership, everything has improved, and both the company and products are expanding.  Great people and great products.
 
On the Conquest HD5s, I think they look like a nice feature list from a great company, but I have heard some mixed reviews on the glass, and if you use the Zero stop, you only get limited adjustment?  I hope neither of those things are true.
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