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I have Bird hunted and waterfowl my whole life, now at 51yo I am going to deer and boar hunt with my sons. We live in South Carolina, so not many shots over a few hundred yards, maybe 300 max. Late evening and eary morning shots, I have looked at the Zeiss scopes and they seem to be very good in low light, now for a gun I looked at a 243,257 and 270. I am not sure which is best for myself. I also looked at Weatherby, Remington and Browning. I really do not want to spend over $1200.00 for a gun and scope. You people are the experts in rifle's need some help in this area.

 

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Factory Savage or Remington .30/06 would serve you well down here in the Carolinas, I would think. .270 is extremely popular too.

 

Cheap, abundant ammo as well.

 

A Zeiss Conquest 3-9-40mm scope from SWFA, rifle, sling, rings/mount, and ammo is probably well under $1200, I would think. 

(Assuming a used Remington 700 or a Savage would probably go for around $400-$500.) I bought a new Rem. 700 .308 VSLH for $600 online.

 

Weatherby's are not for folks like you and me that are "budget minded".  

 

I'm sure the others will chime in with good info too.

 

Welcome to OT, Dave!! Good hunting!!

 

Where in S. Carolina are you?? 

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Thanks Warren,

I just moved from Maryland, bought a place in Lancaster, SC. I have always shot Beretta's in shotguns. Just new to the rifle class and looking forward to it and this site, seems to be very interesting. I have found some good deals on rifles, online. I will buy my scope from SWFA. Support those that help you.

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Not Warren Zevon. But, thanks for the compliment.

 

I know where Lancaster is. I live in Gastonia, NC.

 

We poured the concrete floors for the CVS in Lancaster, when I was in business.

 

Good luck!!

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The best value in rifles that I know of right now are from CZ.  I am a Mauser action kind of guy and these are true to that design.  Extremely accurate and reliable.  I like .270s, .30-06s, .308s and my current favorite the 6.5.  I would top it with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.

 

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Kimber Model 84 in .260 or 7mm-08.  You can find them on Gunbroker for $750.  Put a Leupold 2.5-8X36 or a Conquest 3-9X40 on it.  You will have spent your $1200, but you'll have a super setup.  I have this rig in .260 and have used it on a number of deer, 41 hogs up to 400 lbs, beavers, coyotes, crows, and plan to take it elk hunting with me next fall.  IT has never failed me.  Kimbers come with a great trigger you will not need to replace.  If you want to spend a little less, get the new Savage 14 with accutrigger.  Great shooter with a great trigger.

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I really love the Kimber 84, but, it will not leave you much room to purchase a good quality scope and mounts given your $1200 limit. I would look at the Remington 700SPS or Stainless SPS in 270(a 30/06 would be my first choice). Either will come in at less than $500 and give you plenty of room to purchase that Zeiss you have your eyes on. Also, you should be able to get a Weatherby Vanguard for approx. the same as the above mentioned. These usually are very accurate right out of the box. Good luck and good hunting.

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Thanks everyone for the help, I am not limted to $1200.00, I can spend more. I want a nice dependable set-up that will work well for the type of hunting I want to do.I have always had nice quality Shotguns. I would like to find something that shoots good out of the box with only minor ajustments. I want a Zeiss scope, no doubt their. I just looked on the gunbroker and could not find the 84 in 260, but I will keep looking. 
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Check www.gunsamerica.com also for prices on a Kimber. Don't overlook a 7mm-08 for whitetails and boar. I have a 84M in this caliber and it is great. Very moderate recoil and great accuracy along with factory loaded ammo with Nosler Partitions.Who could ask for anything more for deer and boars.
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Tikka is of Sako line from Beretta and are runninig ~640 for stainless

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Well welcome to big game hunting.  Funny I am just getting into bird hunting again LOL and I have limited my next shotgun purchase down to either Beretta or Benelli. Suggestions

 

As far as rifles and calibers.  Well for deer the .243 or 257 you mentioned would be fine, for pigs I'd like something a little bigger.  The .270 or 30.06 would be great for both deer and pigs.  Both are very common so ammo will be easy to find both will work great with deer and hogs. 

 

Now for guns: Well the two most common are Remington and Winchester and both have as loyal of following as Chevrolet vs. Ford and people will defend each opinion like its their children.  Both are good.  I tend to like the Remington but I plan on buying a new Winchester since they now offer the pre-64 bolt action again I just like the claw extractor.  Winchesters new designs look very cool.

 

Savage guns with the new accutrigger is great especially for the money.  I shot one and was very impressed, they tend to be a little cheaper than the Remington or Winchesters.  Ruger makes a good rifle as well,my father has a .270 Ruger and loves it. There is also the Browning A bolts (nice) as well as Weatherby ( Im not a Vangard fan and the rest are too expensive). 

 

Just as you have a shotgun preference (Beretta) I am assuming you like the feel and throw of the gun.  A rifle is about the same.  You should stick with a known brand (Remington, Winchester, Savage, Kimber, Ruger, Browning Weatherby) and if possible go to a gun store and get a feel for which one works for you.  I like the way a Remington feels I like the way the bolt tucks in to the stock closer then the Winchester but I like the accutrigger of the Savage or the very short throw of the Browning A bolt...alll have different pluses and minuses...its all personal preference.  Go to the manufactures web pages and look up all the brands, cosmetics are minor but you may find a couple you would like to look closer at at a gun store.

 

Scopes: Well I think the best bang for your buck is the Zeiss Conquest.  I put one on my Remington 30.06 last year and love it.  The Bushnell 4200 went on my Dad's Ruger .270 and it is also a very very good scope.  Both are very clear with the Zeiss slightly comming out on top in very low light.  I'd also recommend the Weaver Grand Slam one heck of a scope for the money.  Burris makes good scopes as does Leupold (most common) I tend to think you pay more for the Leupold name and you can get just as good or better performance at a lower cost.  Nikon Buckmaster on the lower end or the Monarch both good scopes stay away from the Prostaff. 

 

If it was me  and money was no object...LOL money is always an object.  If I was looking for a good solid hunting rifle for deer and pig and I would like to keep it under $1200 here is what I'd get...again personal preference

 

Well since I went to the Winchester Web page and the Ultimate Shadow only comes in Winchester Short Mag claibers Humm

 

A Winchester Model 70 Classic 30.06 in stainless steel and black nylon stock with a stainless steel Weaver GrandSlam 3-10X40 scope.  I'd still come out under budget with money left over for good ammo and range time.

 

Good luck and let us know what you choose

AC



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I have been out of town, so I am late replying. AC I shoot nothing but Beretta's for upland game. I use a 686 Silver Pigeon 20ga for upland game, 28 inch barrels, screw in chokes. It is all in how it feels, I tried and own many guns but feel in love with this gun.I use a Benelli Sport 12ga 30" for duck & goose hunting and I love it. I have hunted waterfowl and upland game since I was 8yo and I have hunted at least a half a day every week of the season for 30 years. Upland game is getting scarce. If you need any help let me know.

I bought my rifle and scope, well my wife bought my scope from SWFA for Xmas a Zeiss as you guys suggested , I bought a Kimber 700-8mm as I looked at many but took everyones advice. I hope I have a great set-up and am looking forward to deer and pig hunting, something new for me. I am sure I will be asking some new questions.

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions they helped a lot.

Dave

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Harley1999 Congrats on the new gun and scope.  Kimber makes very nice guns the 7mm-08 is a great little round.  I would experiment and find out what bullet weight,load and company of ammo that your Kimber likes best.  Plus its an excuse to go shooting.

 

I have two friends that have Benelli and Beretta shotguns who told me I could barrow when ever I want to see what I like better.  I just really like the look of the Benelli Legacy.  Since I plan on only doing upland hunting I am really looking at going with an over under in 20ga. Plus, I figure if I get back into waterfowl I can explain to the wife that I need a different shotgun LOL.  Do you know anything about Franchi?  From what I have seen they are a sub company of Benelli.  I really like the look of the Franchi Veloce looks like a nice gun for the money.  Also, I am looking at a couple of less expensive over unders made by Verona or Lamber have you heard anything good or bad about either of those.

 

Thanks for the advice and good luck on the deer and hogs.

 

AC

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I concur with Acenturian, great choice of setups and best wishes!!

 

Please do give us a range report on your new weapon. 

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Good choice.  For your next rifle..... you may want to consider a "big rifle", not in caliber but weight.  I also live and hunt in SC.  Hunting here can be pretty diverse.  When using a climbing tree stand, you need a light and easy to manuever rifle.  However, when hunting fields, powerlines, or cutdowns from tower stands where the shots can be long, a long heavy barrel rifle can help make these shots easier.  They tend to be more accurate (with the right loads) and with a good rest, are easier for YOU to shoot accurately due to their steadiness.  I have found that most deer hunters will benefit from having a small, light
rifle and a "big rifle".  For flat shooting, a 25-06 or a 7mmRM is hard to beat.  You don't need a cannon to kill deer.....although some might say that the 7mmRem Mag is a borderline cannon.

For very enlightening reading, you should read the Cedar Knoll study by Charles Ruth.  It can be found at www.scilowcountry.org under the tips and articles section.  Charles is the Deer Project Leader and chief deer biologist for the SC DNR.  His research is well respected and is quite eye opening, especially regarding soft bullets vs. hard bullets and the relative insignificance of caliber in the harvesting of deer.
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CWPINST:

 

Good info there. Well stated too. 

 

 

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