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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 10:30
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I think ive narrowed it down to these twobut still uncertain.Any other recommondation would be usefull.     Im new to rifle hunting not new to hunting or shooting have a 300 rum        i hunt in ohio where rifle hunting is not allowed.My dads buddy owns a farm in ky where its legal.Going to hunt there next year anyway which of these would be better torn between ffp and sfp.Sound like i would like ffp better.Max yds would probably be 600 at most.
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The PST is not yet available.

I'd get the SS, it has a track record and will be OK with the recoil a RUM generates.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 10:38
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I am in a very similar situation.  My Mark 4 6.5-20 is just a bit too much magnification for my 300 RUM.  I am looking at the 4-16 PST and I also considered the FFP/SFP issue.  I won't use the reticle for ranging, so I am looking at the SFP model, given the crosshairs stay "big" in the lower magnification range.  I see this being an advantage in low light hunting situations.  I will be cranked up to max magnification if using the reticle for wind or drops at long range.

I am anxiously waiting for ILya's impressions of the PST.  If the scope isn't all I hope it is, a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 will be topping my 300 RUM.
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It sounds like the PST should be available soon ... and may be worth the wait.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 10:40
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Im kind of leaning that way ive never owned a vortex but got a viper 2-7 on the way for my sluggun it should be here any day.Waiting to see how much i like it when are the psts going to be avaliable or is that the million dollar question.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 10:48
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Also have new models of the SS coming out soon, plus waiting the PSTs....seems if stuck on these 2 waiting a bit might be the best option.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 10:53
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I like vortex but SS's will always get my money, Chris has put to much into them and stands behind them enough for me to send him my money

Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 13:14
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I have two of the  3-9 Super Snipers on 300 Win Mag rifles they work well for that.

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The 2.5-10 PST is SFP, BTW. I wouldn't worry about an FFP reticle getting smaller. While it's true that the subtensions become harder to see and the crosshairs thinner, all the FFP reticles I've seen have thicker bars that come into view as you zoom out, acting much like a duplex reticle:

 
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2010 at 17:12
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Nice graphics Jon!  For those worried about it, I did a fair amount of brush hunting in the thick stuff in low light to dark conditions with the PST 4-16 FFP on 4X.  The reticle works fantastically for that use.   It’s thick enough to be “OK” by itself but with the illumination it becomes excellent—far better than any non-illuminated scope, FFP or SFP.  So anybody worried about that can just stop.    

Back to the OP--for you I'd recommend the 3-9 SS.  Mainly because I haven't seen the new 2.5-10 PST yet but have used the SS extensively and know it'll get the job done.  While I like higher powers and parallax adjustment for really long range stuff, being new to rifle hunting the 3-9 will do everything you should be doing extremely well.  It's dirt simple to use, durable, good glass, etc.  
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For future reference, here are some pics of the 4-16X FFP Mil/Mil PST on 4X in very low light:




Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 16:35
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viper hands down if you want a clear scope.

Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 17:38
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I wouldn't say that.  The 3-9 SS and PST 4-16X on 9X are very close in optical quality.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 18:21
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well  everyones eyes are different i think the viper brighter and clearer
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 19:12
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Everyone's eyes are different.  Some of them have looked through the scopes in question.  Some haven't.

The SS 3-9 is a completely different scope than the old 20X you had and has much better glass.  I'm pretty sure you've been told that many times, I'm not sure why it hasn't sunk in yet.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 19:18
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Everyone's eyes are different.  Some of them have looked through the scopes in question.  Some haven't.

The SS 3-9 is a completely different scope than the old 20X you had and has much better glass.  I'm pretty sure you've been told that many times, I'm not sure why it hasn't sunk in yet.

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The 3-9 SS is a very good scope for hunting. I have found the glass to be very good and the reticle very usable in low light. Especially when increasing the magnification up around 5X.
The tactical knobs proved to be reliable when dragging my rifle through the brush. The knobs did not lose zero.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 20:02
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well why come it didnt fair so well on the swfa scope coparison
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 20:26
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ultramag, have you used one? Also the 3-9 SS has different optics than the previous fixed power versions. It is a fine hunting scope and I have hunted quite a bit with one.
Your argument, so far, hasn't shown a whole lot of thought. Just short and negative quips about others opinions. Please present something positive in your favor.
http://opticstalk.com/swfa-scope-scale-discussion-thread-2009_topic16515_page1.html?KW=Scope+Scale+2009
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

well why come it didnt fair so well on the swfa scope coparison


How can you say that?? The 3-9 and the 10x HD are not on the list.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2010 at 22:49
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

well why come it didnt fair so well on the swfa scope coparison

Fore cuz eet no was copared to anyteeng.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/27/2010 at 11:10
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super sniper  fixed is on the list compared to a vortex crossfire,and the vortex viper was up there with a leupold vx7 and vx3, i know you guys are loyal to swfa scopes there aint nothing wrong with that. now your all trying to get down on me for not agreeing with you,so what i earned the right to have my opinion,this is america not russia,if i dont like a a tasco scope or a super sniper scope thats my right.on a open forum guys should be able to give his opinion with out being grilled for it.i have scopes from nightforce all the way down to a simmons aetec,im not stuck on 1 brand but i have had problems with several brands, leupold being 1 of them,and nikon pro staffs i had a s2 sightron that wouldnt hold zero. i got a viper on my ar and ive beat it pretty good and it stays true, im kinda liking it.so if my not agreeing pisses you off so be it.
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No one is down on you; however, some have tried to point out that there are different SS models, the older SS10X, 16X, and 20X - and the new design, new scopes (not built in the same factory, not built on the same design, not sharing any parts or glass) that are far superior optics.

From time to time, someone chimes in who used/owned a 20X SS and thinks they got a raw deal because it wasn't what they thought it'd be. (For a $300, 20X scope, it is quite good.  Comparing it to a 10X is apples-to-oranges.)

The new 10X HD and 3-9X SS are somewhere in the ballpark of Nightforce for optical clarity and just a small step lower for build - and all that for a fraction of the price.

It needs to be clear to all readers that the 16X and 20X S optics are specialty scopes, not for common usage on the average rifle.  The old 10X is a great all-around, budget scope; and the 10X HD and 3-9X are optically superior to anything in their price ranges.

No one is telling you what to think or denigrating your opinion; however, it deserves pointing out that the new SS scopes are not the same as the older SS scopes.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/27/2010 at 11:51
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300 ultramag - you are welcome to disagree but you have entirely missed the point.  When you compare the 3-9x42 Super Sniper and the 10x HD Super Sniper to other scopes ==> they are better than the leupold VX3 and leupold Mark 4 scopes I have    ---   yes I have both.
 
The old generation of Super Sniper scopes in fixed 10x fixed 16x and fixed 20x for $299. are a good value for that price but in no way do they compare to  the glass of a Zeiss Conquest.  I think the old style new model 6x is the best of the old style and I have that one as well.  The money is in the mechanicals and they are reliable and the glass is useable and they are something in a price range that will do what other scopes in that price range wont do.  Of the group I have owned all models except the 16x and the 20x is my least favorite of all of them still it has a following of people who like it and want to use it for daylight target shooting.
 
HOWEVER  -- The 3-9x42 Super Sniper and the 10x HD are ENTIRELY  DIFFERENT  like the difference between a  ford fiesta and a lincoln town car.  The 3-9 and the 10xHD are - quite comparable to the glass of the Zeiss Conquest.  Are they comaparable to a Swarovski Z6i no they are not, but they are a third the price. Are they comparable to a Nightforce - actually they are not far off from a Nightforce which is quite surprising but Nightforce glass has not impressed me where Nightforce mechanicals do impress me. 
What you are doing is telling everyone something like I bought a bushnell banner scope and it was so so therefore the bushnell 4200 and 6500 scopes are so so.  DUH you are not talking about comparing apples to apples -- then when someone tries to explain that you are not getting it, you become defensive.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/27/2010 at 12:21
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

300 ultramag - you are welcome to disagree but you have entirely missed the point.

-- then when someone tries to explain that you are not getting it, you become defensive.


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