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3_tens
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7853 |
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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.
Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow Now the rules have changed again. |
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Peddler
Optics God Joined: July/04/2012 Location: Oswego,NY Status: Offline Points: 13526 |
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Neato!!!
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When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.
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Bigdaddy0381
MODERATOR Georgia peach Joined: February/27/2007 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 13681 |
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I GOT to have some...
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P&Z Firearms , Pro gun cleanings and gun repair and wood refinishing.
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3_tens
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7853 |
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$44 for a box of 20 so they say but it is sold out. Wonder why
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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.
Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow Now the rules have changed again. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Obviously it fragments and goes everywhere - not something I really care for. There is a reason Nosler made partition bullets which retain their weight and penetrate adequately. Anything that changes course can have unintended consequences. I doubt any police agency will authorize these.
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Sparky
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: July/15/2007 Location: SD Status: Offline Points: 4568 |
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Not only fragments but also looks like it over penetrates as well. To me it looks like part of the bullet went clean through the ballistic gel.
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Steelbenz
Optics Jedi Knight ROLL TIDE ROLL Joined: January/03/2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Status: Offline Points: 5153 |
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Looks like a modified pen grabber. I will say the old pen grabbers were awesome for what they were designed to do.
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"Don't argue with a fool! From a distance you can't really tell who's who!"
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cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
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Looks like hocus pocus, Gents.
I guess my BG is going tough it out when he gets get a lowly 9mm Winchester Ranger in the chest.....
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If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
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6\250\40
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/17/2014 Location: At the ranch Status: Offline Points: 204 |
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Just one? You're mellowing nicely.
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"You'll learn a helluva lot more listenin' than you will talkin'" My Dad
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Gerry Atric
Optics Journeyman Joined: April/21/2011 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 340 |
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A test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w Link doesn´t work, search YouTube 9 mm tested in ballistics gel Gerry Atric
Edited by Gerry Atric - July/22/2014 at 09:24 |
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supertool73
Optics God Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 11814 |
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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Gerry Atric
Optics Journeyman Joined: April/21/2011 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 340 |
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Thank´s Supertool. Don´t know what went wrong when I tried to copy-paste that link.....? Maybe it´s an age thing Gerry Atric
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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Looks like a poorly designed expensive gimmick to me. Here's my issue. The "trocars" break off and radiate outwards penetrating 3.5- 4.5". Sounds great. You know what else penetrates ballistic gel about 3.5"? A steel BB @ 600 feet per second. The last thing I want is to have my bullet be like hitting a bad guy with 6 BB's and a .22lr. unfortunately bad guys aren't made out of ballistic gel. It's a great repeatable test media, but it's not a person. You need to relate the results to real life. There's a reason the FBI says a bullet must penetrate 12" of gel at MINIMUM to be effective. I've fired bullets into gel that penetrated over 24", stop in under 16" when hitting an animal. In my opinion, shedding weight in the first few inches is the opposite of what you want in a self defense bullet.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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Rancid Coolaid
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I won't be running out to stock up on these.
It looks cool, and the fancy video and articulate narration mean it has to be awesome. And the full auto pistols, holy cow, if a guy that has access to a full auto pistol uses it, he must be operator as f*ck so I should be using the same ammo as him! Gimmick. I wouldn't want to be shot with it, don't get me wrong. |
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Respect is something you earn. Equality is something you whine about not being given. |
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Bigdaddy0381
MODERATOR Georgia peach Joined: February/27/2007 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 13681 |
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You are a bunch of bullet racist in here ain't ya.... I won't use that bullet cause it looks funny or opens to much dose not dump energy into the target at the right time.... Hey now... All bullet lives matter... Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets.....Save the bullets..... shoot someone Else's
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P&Z Firearms , Pro gun cleanings and gun repair and wood refinishing.
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Sgt. D
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: February/20/2008 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 4525 |
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They are just too expensive right now to give a proper testing. The principle is sound if your intent is to cause death without possibility of saving the aggressor. Theory being that multiple wound channels will cause bleed out before adequate surgery could be done. As stated earlier, gel is not a reliable comparative. The center mass shot on a person is typically a layer of cloth 2.5 to 4 inches of muscle, fatty tissue, bone (maybe) vital organs including an open air space (lungs) and exit thru muscle, bone and spine. Odds are they would not exit and it probably wouldn't matter as internal bleeding would be extensive. And even with an off center shot the odds are good that the heart would be cut and there would certainly be multiple lung channels and very likely stomach, liver and intestinal wounds. I have chose not to carry them right now due to legal concerns should I be forced to defend. If they are as lethal as suggested it could be implied that your intent was with premeditated malice. Ofcourse that is pre-civil collapse. Post collapse legal concerns will be under martial or UN discretion....................... Reporting incidents and body count will be individually discretionary..................... |
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Take care of Soldiers, Show em how its done and do it with em, Run to the Fight & and hold your ground! I die my men go home! If you're a NCO and this ain't you. GET OUT! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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Sgt. D
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: February/20/2008 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 4525 |
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That's one of the puzzling things. If you set a minimum base standard velocity of 900fps. any bullet configuration from 115 to 240gr should penetrate gel atleast 9 to 14 inches. But that doesn't always hold true in actual gel test. So, are there too many variables in gel mix/consistency? And if you look at the new self defense loads aren't they loading to 1200fps and up. And if so, I would expect gel test to show much deeper and larger wound channels. The trocars only penetrate 3-4" in gel. What velocity do they advertise? But, even at actual gel test showing 3-4 inches I suspect penetration on a person would be ideal for termination. Because that much penetration in gel should equal shredding of vitals. |
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Take care of Soldiers, Show em how its done and do it with em, Run to the Fight & and hold your ground! I die my men go home! If you're a NCO and this ain't you. GET OUT! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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Yes gel tests show 3-4" of penetration. That's my problem. So does a steel BB @600 fps. And I've been hit with a steel BB. It didn't penetrate me 3-4". This is why I say gel is a good consistent media, but doesn't tell the whole story. Even in my own testing I've seen the difference in gel tests and bullets that were recovered from game.
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