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Been looking for a new rifle for awhile and I can't seem to set my eyes on any one particular brand, maybe its because of what I'm seeing these days in terms of quality.  I would love to have a nice custom fiberglass stock, silky smooth action, chambered in either the 7mmRM or 300WM.  I thought alot about the short mags and came to the conclusion that there really isn't too much to gain in terms of ballistics, especially since I don't reload.  Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about this.  The 7mm and 300 are readily available and cheaper to buy.
 
Here is a list of rifles I'm considering:
 
1.  Sako 85:  Most people prefer the 75 or older models but I really like this gun.   The Grey wolf is my top choice because the synthetic stock seems a little too flexible to me.  The 85 is also a little over priced if you ask me but I'm willing to spend the money for it.
 
2.  Sako A7:  Add a few extras to the Tikka and you get the A7.  Doesn't seem like a big upgrade from the Tikka, might as well add a few $'s and get the Sako IMO.
 
3.  Tikka:  Well, I never heard anyone complain about this gun except for the bolt shroud which seems to pop off.  Its extremely accurate and probably the best buy out there.  May not be the type of gun to last generations but its cheap and as good as the 85/75 in terms of accuracy.
 
4.  Browning A-bolt:  Nice rifle, very accurate and I know many who own one.  The mirror like finish on the bolt is something I rather not have but what can you do.
 
5.  X-Bolt:  A different version of the A-bolt with a detatchable mag which I like.  I don't know anyone who owns one but the info on the net is encouraging.
 
6. Weatherby MarkV:  I own a Vanguard and its super accurate.  A little heavy and the bolt isn't like a Sako or Tikka but its a shooter for sure.  Always wanted a Mark V but I don't know if I want a Wby mag which is what most recommend when buying the V.  My choice would be the Accumark in this category.
 
7.  Remington 700:  Heard a number of quality complaints with the new 700's.  They are the most popular guns out there so I guess the chances of hearing about a few problems now and then is greater.  I love the Alaskan TI, its the perfect style of all the rifles listed here IMO, but for 2K?  Might as well buy a used custom. 
 
8.  Winchester M70 Extreme Weather: Still waiting to see one.  Looks good though.
 
 
Well, thats my short list.  The custom route is open for possiblities also but I noticed that the used market is the way to go with these.  This is the conclusion I came to when looking on gunbroker and following resales of customs that are fairly new.
 
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6. Weatherby MarkV:  I own a Vanguard and its super accurate.  A little heavy and the bolt isn't like a Sako or Tikka but its a shooter for sure.  Always wanted a Mark V but I don't know if I want a Wby mag which is what most recommend when buying the V.  My choice would be the Accumark in this category.
 
Did you consider a Vanguard SUB MOA? They have a nice stock on them. Essentially the same stock as the Accumark. I would give mine up for the new Backcountry though. Basically the same thing as the sub moa, but with a fluted barrel. Just a few more options to look at. I don't buy that many rifles, so I can't comment on the others on your list. I spent time with a tikka t3, and liked that, and a Sako.....Well, it's a Sako. The Mark V's are nice too, but my $$$$ won't buy one of those either. Good luck, and welcome to the Optics Talk.
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Thanks Trigger.  I recently heard about the Back Country, would love to check one out when possible.  Oh No!!  Now another one to add to the list!!
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All the above good choices , you wont be disappointed with any of them .....have fun!
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Don't rule out the Kimber 8400's.

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I don't see a 'bad' rifle on your list.  I just got a Tikka T3 and really like it.  The Sako 85 is a really nice rifle too (next on my list).  I like .300 w/m better than 7mag but that's just my opinion.
 
I'd get the Tikka and spend more on glass.
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I agree, I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.  If it were me, I'd probably either get the:
 
Sako 85 Grey Wolf...
the action is so smooth and I love the look of the black & grey laminated stock with the stainless action, and I love the stock style with the shadowline cheekpiece and the cool checkering pattern.  Sakos will usually shoot well.
 
Or the:
 
Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker...
Like the changes to the action, and the new trigger is very nice.  The Dura Touch armor on the synthetic stock has a nice grippy feel.  The bolt release button on the root of the bolt handle is a clever idea for unloading the rifle with the safety on.  I think it is an improvement overall over the A-Bolt, however, I'm not real wild about the strange "zig-zag" shadowline in the buttstock behind the grip.  But, to each his own.
 
Or the:
 
Rem 700...
Always a good option.  I too LOVE the Ti version, but it's expensive.  Still, you might find some deals on one.
 
As for the short mags, no, you won't get a ballistic advantage over the standard length magnums, at least with regards to the WSM family.  However, that's not the reason for their existence anyway.  What they do provide is the SAME ballistic performance as their long brethren in a short action, which gives you a slightly more handy rifle.  If you already have a standard magnum in the caliber you're considering, there's no real reason to buy the short mag.  But, if you don't, the short mags are worth considering if you're a short action fan like I am.  I especially like the 7 WSM and .300 WSM.
 
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Ha Ha Ha I own a .270win., and a .270 WSM.........Why?...........I don't know. I like them I guess. My .270 is a 20" barreled compact, and my wsm is a 24" with full sized stock.
 
There is only one downside to this list. You can't have all of them. They're all nice rifles.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

There is only one downside to this list. You can't have all of them.
 
...says who?Wink
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I agree, I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.  If it were me, I'd probably either get the:
 
Sako 85 Grey Wolf...
the action is so smooth and I love the look of the black & grey laminated stock with the stainless action, and I love the stock style with the shadowline cheekpiece and the cool checkering pattern.  Sakos will usually shoot well.
 
Or the:
 
Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker...
Like the changes to the action, and the new trigger is very nice.  The Dura Touch armor on the synthetic stock has a nice grippy feel.  The bolt release button on the root of the bolt handle is a clever idea for unloading the rifle with the safety on.  I think it is an improvement overall over the A-Bolt, however, I'm not real wild about the strange "zig-zag" shadowline in the buttstock behind the grip.  But, to each his own.
 
Or the:
 
Rem 700...
Always a good option.  I too LOVE the Ti version, but it's expensive.  Still, you might find some deals on one.
 
As for the short mags, no, you won't get a ballistic advantage over the standard length magnums, at least with regards to the WSM family.  However, that's not the reason for their existence anyway.  What they do provide is the SAME ballistic performance as their long brethren in a short action, which gives you a slightly more handy rifle.  If you already have a standard magnum in the caliber you're considering, there's no real reason to buy the short mag.  But, if you don't, the short mags are worth considering if you're a short action fan like I am.  I especially like the 7 WSM and .300 WSM.
 


+1 on the Sako 85 Grey Wolf and/or Rem 700 Ti.  Thunbs Up

The Ti's about a # lighter but a few hundred $$ more.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

There is only one downside to this list. You can't have all of them.
 
...says who?Wink
 
Well, in my case the check book. If I had your money, I would buy Trigger one of each for review.
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Frankly, if I were willing to spend the coin on a Mk V, I would also consider this in 280 Ackley. At least you will have some special and very different from the commercial offerings.


280 Ackley Excaliber

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Well I just bought a Cooper Excalibur .30-06 this week............... to replace my 6 month old Sako 75 greywolf .30-06 that I would be willing to sell very reasonably if you want to pm me about it. The Sako is a shooter but I don't really like the way it looks !

To be honest...........the HS Precision and Cooper Excalibur's just make me drool all over the place and the Sako just doesn't do that for me ! Great gun but just doesn't fire me up !! I couldn't freakin stand it and got tired of fighting it.......so I bought the Cooper !!!
 
Like I said........I would buy an Excalibur before a full list Sako personally but I would pick the Sako out of what you have mentioned. They are well built , smooth action, accurate and a trigger my 7 year old could adjust down to 2# !
 
If you look at Cooper Excaliburs........there's a guy that throws some on gunbroker with no reserve fairly regular and they usually go from $1400-$1600 !
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Don't rule out the Kimber 8400's.
 
Actually I did consider the Kimber, very nice rifle.  However, I've read quite a few posts on various forums about accuracy issues, to a point where some owners just got rid of them, while others owners were very satisfied with them.  Guess it depend on being lucky enough to get a good one.
 
I know someone who has a Bansner Ultimate One inn 280AI.  This gun is accurate beyond belief but he reloads.  Think I need to start reloading.
 
The Sako 85 GW is nice and I keep coming back to it.    It almost came home with when I was at Cabelas last summer.  BTW, I have a Vanguard 06, 308 BLR and a 444 in my centerfire collection so far.  I love them all but my BLR has a heavy trigger, gotta get it adjusted. 
 
 
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The Bansner is in a different league from all the others you have mentioned.
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Cooper is a fine rifle, I forgot about them.  Hey CBM, I was in your neck of the wooks last October at Deerfield Plantation, had a great time.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

The Bansner is in a different league from all the others you have mentioned.
 
You better believe it.  I ive pretty close to Mark and considered going all out an ordering one but I had to resist.  Theres one onn gunbroker right now in 280 Rem.  I wonder if it can be re-chambered to the AI or 7mm?
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Juct checked gunbroker and its not there anymore.  The latest auction ended today, had a pretty high reserve so I guess it didn't sell.
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if you are thinking on a custom or semi custom at a decent price check out Hill country rifles they are damn good ...start at 1600/1700 and well worth it.
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Haven't been there but it's only a couple hours from me !! Did you have any luck ?
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if you are referring to me ...I do not own one my buddy does and I can tell you they are sweet .I would buy one in a New York minute,...check out the site ....are you familiar with a writer by the name of Greg Rodriguez. he uses them a lot.
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

Haven't been there but it's only a couple hours from me !! Did you have any luck ?
 
Got decent 7 and a doe and blew 2 chances at two nice bucks.  Buddy got an 8 and two 6's.  On the last day, a monster 8 came in, probably the biggest of the year according to Hugh.  We went the week of the 19th, hit the rut perfectly.  Going back the same week this year.
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Never heard about Hills Country but they look interesting.  Didn't see any on gunbroker either.

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