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I am not going to dwell on the negative--I had a rifle and wallet stolen from my truck last week from my driveway--the anger is gone--but I need to replace it (the rifleBig Grin)--
primary purpose is deer hunting in SC--my soon to be 11 year old will use this as primary weapon upgrade from a 243 he has been shooting for 4 years.  caliber of choice is 25-06 (I am flexible here) 
what are thoughts on weatherby vanguard vs. savage axis in this caliber--price point is close enough to be the same.  I will put the Leupy 3x9 x 50 that came off my 7 mag back on to this rifle also.
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  I'd go with the Vanguard.  The Axis is it's own design.  Kinda like the Remington 710.  I checked on the Howa (same action as Vanguard) Youth 2in1 model where you get both a youth and full size stock but it's not offered in .25-06 and has a 20"bbl (which I like for smaller folks).
 
  BUT my concern about going with a full sized rifle is the lop.  Is he exceptionally tall (long arms)?
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1st off hate to hear that.  Second off, those are both great guns.  Both have good followings and good reputations of out the box accuracy.  If you could get him into a store with both I would and see which fits him the best.  The comb of the stock or LOP could vary a bit and it would feel more comfortable for him. 

Also the 243 wouldn't be bad to go back with, he is use to the recoil.  25-06 or even 7mm-08 are godo choices too though.
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or .270 or 30.06. 

the 7mm-08 would kinda be the logical step up from a .243... and
25-06, .270 and 30.06 are all variations on a theme as well.
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he has been shooting a browning 243 that was not shortened LOP--he shoots this well.  I just don't want to introduce recoil and change good habits!
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    I'd do the Vanguard in .25-06 then.  There's just not much diff in recoil when shooting 100gr bullets in my daughter's .243 Ruger or my son's .25-06 M70.
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can't comment on the vanguard, but i have the edge in 308, and i love it. i've shot it out to 900 yds. can keep MOA to 600 with handloads, but the barrel does warm up quick.
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Also look into the new Vanguard S2. They are very similar to the Vanguard, with a better accuracy guarantee, a nicer stock, and better trigger. They can be had for about $60  more than a series 1 Vanguard. They happen to come in .25-06 too!
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I had been looking at the vanguard 2. Thanks guys. I will try to post pictures when it happens!
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I always thought 25-06 would be a cool rifle up until I bought one and it would only shoot the light weight bullets anything heavy from the Encore barrel I had was all over the place.  I finally gave up on that.  I bought a Savage stainless synthetic accu trigger accu stock .243 and it just loves 100 gr bullets.  I've bought three Tikka T3's in the last year or so and all have shot reall really well.  I would be strongly inclined to recommend the 7mm08 as the next logical step up from .243 but really think he could go right into a .308 or 30-06 since I have been shooting 30-06 since age 5 and 22 since age 3. Remember the heavier the rifle weighs = the less recoil.  I tend to really like rifles with a short heavy barrel. Much to be said for a 20 in barrel if hunting in a box blind.

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How about a 257 Roberts if you like lower kick?  Just another alternative.  Although the 25-06 will out perform it.  
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how far out is he shooting?
did he lose any deer with the 243 ?
I hunted with one a lot and have cleanly taken deer out to 400 yards

My son is using it now and runs 80g TTSX out of it, it is a death ray :)

if you just want to step up in caliber I would look at the 7mm08 as it can be had in a short action and run a shorter barrel
You can run the 120g Barnes TTSX close to 3K FPS out of one

I love the 25-06 but they need a longer barrel
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I also like the 7-08, even though I've never owned one I think is very appealing. Low recoil, great selection of bullets and factory loads, decent sectional density and its represented by most gun manufacturers.
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that round is on the radar screen also.  He is very good shot to 130yds.  Haven't tested much beyond that--that is my comfort level for him with the 243--
he has yet to not recover a deer--he's missed a doe, but no "non recovered" deer.

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just ordered Howa 25.06--went green stock and black--arrives next week.  photos if I can figure that out!
thanks!


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