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I am a newbie to rifle shooting. I just bought a Tikka T3 Lite and I need a scope to put on it. As of now I am thinking of puting a fixed powered scope on it something either 10x 12x or 16. I would prefer something if they make it with a ballistic plex. I am going to be doing some critter shooting and my typical shot I think will be about 200-350 yards but I would like the capability to reach out if I have to. I am not totally against variable power scopes I just thought a fixed may be easier for aquiring targets. If anyone has any input about a certain scope or fixed vs. variable scopes please let me know. Id be willing to spend what ever my better half will let me but sadly think this is around $400 at the most. Open to most anything.

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Well, generally variable scopes offer quite a bit more versatility.  There is a reason why they are more popular.

By critter shooting, do you mean varmints? or big game?

Generally speaking, there are several scope lines that have models in your price range.  Assuming that you plan to hunt big game something along the lines of a 3-9x40, 3-12x42, 3-10x40, etc. would be the way to go.  For right around $400 you can get a Burris Signature Select with BallisticPlex reticle.

Some other scopes to consider: Sightron S2, Weaver Grand Slam, Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch.  Can't really go wrong with any of these.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Some other scopes to consider: Sightron S2, Weaver Grand Slam, Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch.  Can't really go wrong with any of these.
ILya

 

Notice how cleverly koshkin (in Russian means deceiver), puts the best scope, the Nikon Monarch at the very bottom of his list, hoping, praying that you don't really see it and actually want to purchase this fine piece of Japanese optics??

 

If I were call him out on not recommending it, he would craftly pronounce "I did, I did recommend the Nikon!!"

Like a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but only admits to taking off the lid and counting the remaining cookies, for the benefit of the others.

With the cookie crumbs covering his evil smile. See devil smile below.

He's a master of the "black arts."

 

Though a friendly plug at first, given time, his "recommendations" gravitate the unsuspecting "victim" towards the darker side of the optics world. The forbidden......

The evil axis I call it.

Sightron, Burris, Weaver and the Osama Binladen of optics....IOR. 

Once there, not even my super duper gucci-foo powers can bring them back!!

 

Friend, run back to the light!!!

We here at OT have lost many a soul to this seducer and his optical slight of hand!!   

 

Get the Monarch.

You gain a superior optical instrument AND salvage your soul from optics damnation....     Amen.

 



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Cheaptrick  Great YODA of optics.  Once again you have saved the universe from the dark side.

 

Get the Nikon Monarch. If you must buy a fixed power buy a 6x and not more than a 10X

 

6580 Nikon 5.5-16.5x44 Monarch UCC Riflescope Nikon 5.5-16.5x44 Monarch UCC Riflescope
  • Gloss
  • Nikoplex
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
SWFA: $399.95

6508 Nikon 6x42 Monarch UCC Riflescope Nikon 6x42 Monarch UCC Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Nikoplex
  • 1"
SWFA: $259.95

LEU58590 Leupold 6x42 FX-III Riflescope Leupold 6x42 FX-III Riflescope
  • Gloss
  • Duplex
  • 1"
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $379.95
More Info... Buy Now

LEU58640 New Leupold 6x42 FX-III Competition Hunter Riflescope New Leupold 6x42 FX-III Competition Hunter Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Fine Cross Hair
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $469.95
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SS10X42M SS10X42
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I see that there is no more reason to even attempt to appease the Grand Ayatollah of Nikon Optics, who, in strict accordance with his login name, is trying to cheaptrick you with promise of superior optics and perhaps 72 virgins (could have been 72 virgin scopes, I could never quite figure out).

As always he will try to lure you into beleiving that there is no true scope out there, but Nikon, while omitting the scarceness of available reticles, and the limitations of a 3x erector assembly.

That's it.  From now on, the Monarch is off the list, unless I know for a fact that cheaptrick is not present to pollute the information superhighway with his Nikon orthdoxy.  At that point I will be able to safely go back to recommending Nikon scopes along with the holy trio of sport optics: Sightron, Burris and IOR (not sure how Elite 4200 fits in there; an understudy perhaps?).

Range compensating reticles are nowhere to be seen in the Nikon Monarch line-up.  Aside from that they fo have good glass, but there are complaints about eye relief being quite critical.

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Ah yes,

I knew my nemesis could not resist my challenge... 

 

Now that I've lured him from the dark abyss of optics blasphemy where he dwells, I will pronounce swift and lethal judgment on him!!

 

Notice yet again how koshkin trys in vain to confuse the masses with his catch phrases like "eye relief" and the lack of "range compensating reticles".   

Typical tactics used to de-focus on the REAL issues.

 

I curse thee O' betrayer of optics grasshoppers in the mighty name of Nikon USA!!!

My high octane Nikon Gucci-Foo is much to powerful for you to simply dismiss!!

 

Remember Grasshoppers, Monarch is another term for "King". Numero Uno.

 

No phoney baloney names like "SII" or "Signature Series" or those other names from those evil black scopes.

 

   

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>>Remember Grasshoppers, Monarch is another term for "King". Numero Uno.

What good is royalty, if it is self-prolaimed?

ILya
"Retreating back to the dark abyss of optics blasphemy" aka the perfect place to evaluate low light capabilities of riflescopes.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

"Retreating back to the dark abyss of optics blasphemy" aka the perfect place to evaluate low light capabilities of riflescopes.

 

 

Good one!!!

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 BACK BACK BACK OH EVIL SIGHTRON SELLER

 

Someone hold the beast at bay with the TR22R  tritium triangle

 

 

 

jd84 balistic plex is a Burris term if you want a fixed 10x turn from the dark side and buy the Super Sniper SS10X42M   

 

Or the light gathering 

6508 Nikon 6x42 Monarch UCC Riflescope Nikon 6x42 Monarch UCC Riflescope
  If you could spend more I'd say Leupold VX III but in the under $400 and a fixed SS10X42M you canuse the mildots for hold over points or do the right thing and dial in the correction.



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Just for the record, I do not sell scopes, Sightron or otherwise.

I have no commercial interest in any of the riflescope makers or retailers.  I do tend to suggest that people buy from SWFA for a simple reason that they've consistently given the best prices when asked.

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jd84 did you get anything out of that shakespeare stuff? Look at the Weaver T10 and Leo fixed 12x.
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Dale, you gotta admit, that was very funny banter with some info thrown into the mix. Keep it up guys.

Soon Leno will be calling, OK, maybe not but it was funny.

 

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Koshkin   - O Dark Lord of Optics - please point out to us the link to Sightron on SWFA .

 

Cheaptrick - Noble Yoda of Optics - We stand at the illuminated mildot reticle and salute you

 

I did out of curiosity request the Sightron catelogue to see exactly what it is that you seem to like so well. I'm sure that if they are on a par with the other optics sold here that SWFA will consider carrying them  or special ordering them if there is a market (it's up to you readers to let them know). From what I can see SWFA has an awesome supply of scopes in many configurations. And Koshkin we do value your informed opinion even when we do not agree. 

 

And we are all thankful that they are graceous enough to allow us to express personal opinion here.      

Koshkin : I have no doubt that you are correct that the IOR scopes are excellent.



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What do you think of this fixed 6x

IOR6X42T30 IOR 6x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope IOR 6x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
  • MP-8
  • 30mm
  • Free 2.5" Sun Shade w/ Purchase
SWFA: $449.95

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WELL, AS A NEWBI TO THIS FORUM I'M KINDA SCARED!!!!!!
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Sounds more like the crew found the capitan's wiskey keg over the weekend.
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Originally posted by NC-amature NC-amature wrote:

Sounds more like the crew found the capitan's wiskey keg over the weekend.

 

"A Nikon...A Nikon...My kingdom for a Nikon!!!" 

Sorry, but I couldn't help but to revert to Shakespeare.....(hick)  

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what's a Shakespeare and do they sell them swfa?
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I haven't seen any Shakespeare offered at swfa.

 

But they have them at WallyWorld. . .look for 'Ugly Stick'

 

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I found the Ugly Stick today---- I mean the Sightron.  I went to Sportrsmans Warehouse and had to ask at the scope counter where they have hundreds of models in the case. The salesman says: Yes we do carry Sightron we have a couple of them back here behind the counter.  (as in these are on a rack on a shelf back by the wall of rings and bases and all other scopes are in the glass display case).  I was able to look at a 3-9 and a 4.5-14 both of which were ok but neither of which could I read the print on small display cards about 60 yds away. I compared to 4200 Bushnell which had better glass and Nikon Monarch which seemed to have much better glass than the other two.

 

All Hail Cheaptrick -Great Yoda of Optics - Once again the Budweiser of Optics has been used to bring light into the dark abiss. Somebody throw me another Budweiser   .  I also looked longingly at the 1.5-6 Monarch Gold.  My 375 H&H Browning A Bolt would be very happy with one of these on top of it.

 

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Interesting.

 

I suppose we all have different impressions due to different eyes and scope to scope variabiilty.

 

In the midrange scope lines, as far as glass is concerned, I would put Elite 4200 a bit ahead of the competition, barely nudging Burris Signature Select.  Leupold VX-III, Nikon Monarch, Sightorn S2 and Weaver Grand Slam are about equal to my eyes and are just behind Signature Select and Elite 4200.

 

Are you sure you were looking at Sightron S2 scopes?  Sightron makes a couple of 3-9x scopes, an S2 3-9x42 and S1 3-9x40.  S1, while good for the money, is certainly a step down. 

 

This also the first time I've heard anyone say that Monarch has much better glass than Elite 4200.  Not even a Nikonophile like cheaptrick has ever said that.  Are you sure you had them all focused correctly and were looking at comparable models?

 

As far as IOR 6x42 is concerned, it is a superb scope, although it has recently gone in price quite a bit, it is still a very good buy.  One of the best 6x scope I've ever seen at any price.

 

ILya

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I think the Sightron was an S1

Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 is what impresssed me.

I really didn't like the Elite 4200 that I looked at, although the rainguard coating is interesting.

One of my friends has had some real problems with a Burris 3-9 shortmag it looks coudy and had very critical eye relief over about 4X. (Note: this is after I advised him to buy this balistic plex scope) He called the factory and they fed him a line of BS telling him he needed to reset the reticle -- with a puzzled look on his face he told me he thought he'd send it back to them to see if the warranty was of any value.  I also had a less than favorable experience with a Burris 3-12 pistol scope having very critical eye relief over 6x which I was ultimately unhappy with and traded in, the factory blew me off when I called and complained.  So even though I like the balistic plex reticle I'm a little shy of Burris. I do have a 1x Burris that I do like.

Nikon Monarch Gold scopes really impressed me, but they lack a reticle with any type of marks to use for holdover at distance, they do have good hand adjustable dials. I'm sold on the Leupolds but really do like the reticle on the IOR 6x42 Tactical and at  $449.95 seems to be a good value. I have a strong preference for 30mm tubes which could account for some of what I like or dont like. (If you haven't seen the Monarch Gold scopes check them out you will see what I mean.)  As for Leupold their service after the sale is first class,  but I was a little disappointed to read "Made in China" on their range finding binocular. I regard China as our greatest threat.  

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SIghtron S1 is really not in the same league with the scopes you were looking at.  Take a look at S2 when yo get a chance.

I've never had a need to use Burris customer service, so I can not comment on that.  I've been told that since Beretta bought them their customer service has improved.

Monarch Gold scopes are quite good, but priced accordingly.  For comparable money I'd take an IOR over Monrach Gold.

IOR's service department is not exaclt world class either.  Leupold has very good customer service, but it is almost the only time I had to use it.  My other scopes have been routinely trouble free.

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 Both of these unsatisfactory Burris service issues occured within the last 3 months. I think you are right about the IOR being a good scope value even with the recent price increase. I like the MP9 reticle with it's thin lower post & lines which would be easy to use for holdover.   I am a little curious about the IOR 6x42 as the book description shows the MP8 reticle but the website shows it with a photo of the MP9 reticle.

IOR6X42T30 IOR 6x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope IOR 6x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
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