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terry weiland did an excellent article on the old 7x61 sharpe & hart. i knew a bit about this unique round but terry filled in the holes. i didnt know that phil sharpe developed the .357 magnum. remingtons 7 mag certainly killed the 7mm s&h, i think the rem version is better any way.

the new t/c icon precision hunter looks like a sharp rifle, laminated stock chambered in .204 .223. 22-250 .243 and .308. the test rifle shot very well.

craig boddington did not let me down this month, his article entitiled todays mule deer rifle was and excellent read. he made mention of his person afliction to the .264 win mag and how he managed to bag two of the biggest deer in a long time in a matter of two weeks. he shot a big mulie in wyoming and then i very nice white tail in georgia, both with the .264 he of course mentions the .270 and .280 and 30-06 quite a bit, he likes that family of cases. he also takes some time to talk about scoping for mule deer hunts as well as for white tail, and the big differences one may encounter between the two.

wayne van zwoll did a review of the .375 ruger alaskan. he put a sightron scope on it, and proceeded to shoot a sub 1 inch group at 100 with a 300gr factory load.

another good issue, if you dont buy it or subscribe to it you should, its a great mag for the rifle looneys.
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I got my subscription about back in 07'....good stuff
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i really like the writers they have on staff, weiland, boddington, simpson, van zwoll, fortier they are all excellent.
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A sub moa with a .375 Ruger Alaskan uh?????.................Whistling   Wink    Naughty
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three shots not 5, and he said he prefered the african model over the alaskan, but the hogue stock did eat up a lot of recoil and helped to balance the rifle out nicely.

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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

A sub moa with a .375 Ruger Alaskan uh?????.................Whistling   Wink    Naughty
 
 
Damn BS, how did you find that reference so fast?  You must have a search engine built just to look for 375 Ruger. 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

craig boddington did not let me down this month, his article entitiled todays mule deer rifle was and excellent read. he made mention of his person afliction to the .264 win mag and how he managed to bag two of the biggest deer in a long time in a matter of two weeks. he shot a big mulie in wyoming and then i very nice white tail in georgia, both with the .264
Of course, you know this already Pyro, but I have been shooting a .264 for almost 20 years now.   I might just have to go see if the local grocery store carries this magazine and see what ol' Mr. Boddington has to say about it.
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its funny, craig has cheaptrick & 3_tens disease. as a lefty of course he had buy a m70 westerner in a .264 in a right handed model, and he hunted with that rifle for years and years. he finally talked serengeti rifles out of kalispell mt to build him a lefty version in a .264 with a 26" barrel and a laminated stock. i am a firm believer in the power of the 6.5mm family, all of them are good performers and i wouldnt hesitate to take mine after elk or moose. the swedes have been killing moose with the 6.5x55 for eons now.
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

A sub moa with a .375 Ruger Alaskan uh?????.................Whistling   Wink    Naughty
 
 
Damn BS, how did you find that reference so fast?  You must have a search engine built just to look for 375 Ruger. 
............I haven`t seen the new "Rifle Shooter" mag yet! I just read Pyro`s post of Van Zwoll`s sub moa group results................I can relate!!! Done a few of those good groupings with my Alaskan.
 
PS......................No search engine!!......................Laugh
 
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Boddington is one of my favorites?, I just like his writing style.
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elmer keith helped develop the 357 mag. and I am puzzled why mr. pyro does not like the 270 win.  fine caliber with a good choice of slugs.  the diameter of the slugs are only slightly larger than the 6.5s and the BCs are generally pretty good.  i love my 6s and 6.5s, but the 270 win. and O'Connor cannot be wrong.  all of the 6.5s are almost on equal footing, untill you get to something like the 6.5-300Wby. which I am told is a barrel burner, which is also probably one of those campfire gossip stories, since almost nobody owns one.  maybe I will make one of those.
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Originally posted by mastsif man mastsif man wrote:

...I am puzzled why mr. pyro does not like the 270 win. 
Because it's not a .264.
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Pyro ?   by the way Mr. Oconner did not only like the 270 he was very fond of the 7x57 and the 06 he just used the 270 more than the others? 
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pyro is just an ornery cuss when it comes to the .270 is all.
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

Originally posted by mastsif man mastsif man wrote:

...I am puzzled why mr. pyro does not like the 270 win. 
Because it's not a .264.
 
or a .284 either!
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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Pyro ?   by the way Mr. Oconner did not only like the 270 he was very fond of the 7x57 and the 06 he just used the 270 more than the others? 
 
Seems I read somewhere that he thought the .280 was great too, maybe better than the .270.
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+1 on Craig B's writing style.  Ah yes, the great .270 debate with Pyro.  Ain't it great how much calibers overlap?  A guy can load up about anything he wants to that will do about whatever he wants.  It is interesting how close a lot of calibers are but only one really took off.
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i think jack o conner was the first person to say that the only thing wrong with the .280 rem is the .270win. the .270 had just a few years head start to establish itself among the masses. the 7mm family of bullets just preform a little better than the 6.8's do, and its very close with the 6.5's and 6.8's too. between me my dad and two uncles and my grand dad only one of them has owned a .270. my father in law doesnt own one either, my brother in law and his grand dad both do. i just dont see that their is anything a .270 can do that a .280 wont do better.
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mr. pyro, with all do respect, it sound like you have had more in the real world experience than me, but the 280 and 270 ballistics come real close and if you are a shooter, it really will not make difference none at all.  kind of like your 375 h/h, you could have gone with a 375 RUM or 378 WBY.  as you said, "i just dont see that their is anything.." a 375h/h can do that a 375 RUM or a 378 WBY wont do better.
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Originally posted by mastsif man mastsif man wrote:

mr. pyro, with all do respect, it sound like you have had more in the real world experience than me, but the 280 and 270 ballistics come real close and if you are a shooter, it really will not make difference none at all.  kind of like your 375 h/h, you could have gone with a 375 RUM or 378 WBY.  as you said, "i just dont see that their is anything.." a 375h/h can do that a 375 RUM or a 378 WBY wont do better.

you arent comparing apples to apples with the .375, the rum and the roy both have about 20% more case capacity than the h&h does. if you wanna compare stuff like that compare the .260 rem to the 7-08. the .270 and the .280 are very close and it only really matters when you start to talk about bullets 150gr and heavier thats where the .280 shines.
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true and i see your point, but a 140 grain slug from a 260 or 270, as long as you choose the right slug for the right purpose is easily up to the task as a 150 out of a 280.  but, I see your point, that is why we have so many calibers and each is to their own.  i have a preference for 6s, 6.5s and 257s.  the only deer i took this year was with a tc icon in a 243 at 200 yards with a Kahles scope with a 4a reticle, right through both ventricles of the heart.  with hand loads, it shoots almost hole in groups or easily less than .25 in groups.  was shooting a 110 grain sierra if my memory serves me right and after hitting the back side, exploded.  deer dropped like a rock.  a 102 pound doe.  did not get out much this year.  hope i did not ruffle your feathers, did not mean too, just curious, but get your point.  thanks.  by the way, what is the pic in your avatar?

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firefighters shield, it looks a lot better in full size. the blue flames really set it off i think. where the .280 shines is when you load it up with a 160gr nosler accubond.

i agree that placement is very important. ruffle my feathers? heavens no think my signature line invites controversy, im good with it. it can make for intresting conversations. my love for the .280 started before i was even old enough to shoot one. i can remember the day back in the mid 80's i was talking to my grand dad, he was a real rifle looney. mainly was a .224 guy, but he had some bigger rifles as well. po ackley did a lot of work for my grand dad. after parker died grand dad started doing it on his own, unfortunately for me he died long before his time and i never got to fully enjoy his knowledge. i asked him what his chambering of choice would be if he were in the mood to build a new big game rifle, he stopped reloading for a second and thought about it and said well probably the .280rem. since then its been one of my favorites. im just waiting for the right .280 to come along, i had one in a ruger m77 MKII and it was okay, but not great. i hunted with a 30-06 for a few years and just never liked the .270. the 25-06 is cool though.





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great story.  i can see the shield much better now.  i have a savage in a 308 and since i have two other 308s i am thinking about re-barreling it.  was considering a 6.5-55, but the 280 remington, based off of the 30-06 case will not fit my short action.  i have a 7mm mag parker hale i could re-barrel to that, but i was going to go to a 416 wby.  i will have to think about it.  you have me interested.  thanks.

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