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I'm planning on purchasing a Tikka T3 lite stainless this summer in 7mm Rem Mag.  I have my scope selection down to three:

 

Leupold VX-II 3x9x40

Bushnell Elite 3200 3x9x40

Weaver Grand Slam 3x10x40

 

My main concern is eye relief.  I used to own a Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag which included a Simmons 8 point 3x9x40 scope.  I didn't consider this to have enough eye relief since it hit my shoot glasses a couple times upon recoil.  I can image the light weight Tikka will probably have a little more recoil.  Any insight on these three scopes would be appreciated.

 

Thank you,

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If eye relief is you first criteria then get the VX II.  I'd recommend it no matter what your main concern is.  The Weaver is good, but with a lot less eye relief, and that big zoom ring causes clearance problems on some rifles.
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That was going to be my next question...does the Weaver power ring have any clearence issues with the Tikka supplied rings?
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From the group you've listed....VX-II.

 

The smaller size and clean lines of a Leupold will look great on a sleek built rifle like your Tikka.

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VX-II has longer ey relief.  Grand Slam has better glass and adjustments.

 

Pick what is more important for you. 

 

Also consider SIghtron S2 scopes.  They have eye relief as long as the Leupold VX-II and better glass.  If you can swing a little more money, Burris Signature Select 3-10x40 would work very well also and it has less of a change in eye relief with magnification than Leupolds or SIghtrons.

 

For consistent and non-critical eye relief you can also look at a few excellent and affordable 6x scopes out there:

 

Sightron S2 6x42

Nikon Monarch 6x42

Burris Fullfield II 6x40

 

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I looked at the Burris as you suggested, but they don't seem to make a stainless Signature Select in 3-10x40.  Where can I look at Sightron?  I've never heard of them before, how do they conpare to the three I listed?
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To look at SIghtron scope specs try www.sightron.com

As for the three you listed, SIghtron S2 has glass comparable to Grand Slam, and better than VX-II and Elite 3200 but longer eye relief.

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LEU57750 Leupold 2.5-8x36 VX-III Riflescope Leupold 2.5-8x36 VX-III Riflescope
  • Silver
  • Wide Duplex Range Estimating System
  • 1"
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $399.95
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Any chance you could spend a few more bucks and get to the VXIII there are several features that you will find most usefull. Finger adjustable turrets,  Range Estimating feature which can also be used for set hold over points on the reticle is very usefull. The one here is silver like you wanted. better glass than VX2 .  you are not giving up that much between 8x and 10x and the scope is more compact.

If you go to Sightron get the SII series. Might consider these also

200966 Burris 3-10x40 Euro Diamond 30mm Rifle Scope Burris 3-10x40 Euro Diamond 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Ballistic Plex
  • 30mm
  • Hunter/Comp. Knobs
SWFA: $433.95

6528 Nikon 3-9x40 Monarch UCC Riflescope Nikon 3-9x40 Monarch UCC Riflescope
  • Silver
  • Nikoplex
  • 1"
SWFA: $329.95
Nikon is finger adjustable too and great glass - I might just go with the Nikon if it was me.
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Urimaginaryfrnd thanks for the info.  I'm trying to keep the scrope price under $300.  I'm expecting our first kid next month, so money's tight.  I think its probably between the VX-II and the SII.  I've just never seen a Sightron in person so I a little hesitent.  How does the silver look?  The photo on their website looks almost like a bright nickle finish.  It might be a little too flashy.  Is it more of a dull silver like the VX-II?  Thanks again!!
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Will I still be able to use the Tikka medium rings that come with the gun for the Sightron 42mm objective?
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You should be able to, but I am not totally sure.  What height are the rings, from the receiver to the scope?

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Thanks everyone, I think I have it narrowed down to the VX-II and SII.  I just have a couple questions:

1. The Leupold says its eye relief is non-critical, is this also true with the Sightron?  Whats the difference between critical and non-critical eye relief?

2. The Lepold have a "fast focus" eye piece, does the Sightron have a fast focus eye piece?  If not, what does it have and what's the difference?

Thanks again for all the help!!
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"Non-critical eye relief" and "fast focus eyepiece" are pretty much marketing terms.  Non critical just means that you have a bit of leeway in where your eye is in relation to the scope, and still get a full field of view.  Fast focus eyepiece is even worse.  All scopes allow focusing the eyepiece in pretty much the same manner; some are locking and some are not.  Since this is a one time setting when you first get your scope, "fast focus" is not really relevant.
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I have a different view on this.  I prefer scopes that have a "non-critical eye relief" and a large exit pupil. 

 

You will find that some scopes are quite touchy, and have to be held "just so" to get a full field of view.  Changing from a short-sleeved shirt to a hunting parka (or vice versa) with one of these can really mess up your view.  

 

The fast focus feature also has its good points.    You may appreciate fast focus more the first time you forget to take your current prescription glasses with you, and have to adjust your scope and binoculars.  (Or when you are sharing a rifle with a friend at the range.)  This feature also allows you to do dry-firing exercises indoors without putting on your distance glasses. 

 

Quality binoculars have reasonably quick focus adjustments.  It works for riflescopes too.  Adjusting the focus on certain scopes without this feature (including the older Leupolds) can be a slow, slow process.

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What do you think on the VX-II 3-9x33 ultralight scope?   I might also consider it.  Is this scope suitable for a 7mm Rem. Mag?  My only slight concern in that the eye relief is only 3" at 9x, whereas the regular VX-II is 3.7" and the SII is 3.6".  Anyone have any experience with this ultralight scrope on a magnum rifle?
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Is there any decent scope out there today that doesn't have a "fast focus eyepiece" or "non-critical eye relief"?  I change eyepiece focus about once a year, or less.  It only needs to be done if your eyes change.  If someone else shoots your rifle, they need to sight it in again, not just adjust the eyepiece focus.
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Non-critical eye relief is pretty real.  However, most decent scopes have enough eye relief leeway.  Generally, eye position gets more and more critical with high magnification scopes.  Either way, this has become a catch phrase since how critical eye position is depends on both the scope and the eye, so it is hard to quantify.

 

As for a fast focus eye-piece.  It is a convinience, and it is nice to have, but I do not think it makes enough difference to have any effect on choosing a scope.

 

ILya

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Any thoughts on the VX-II ultralight??
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VX-II ultralight is a nice scope, but I do not think there is enough weight difference to worry about.  I'd more concerned about getting a black eye from recoil.

 

If you are looking at VX-II ultralight, you can also consider Burris Short Mag scopes.  They have several models with a lot of eye relief, such as 3-9x32 with 3.75-5" of eye relief.

 

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Do yourself a favor and buy a better set of rings for the tikka. I have a tikka and the rings that came with it were not very good. Go with either Warne or Talley.

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Let's start with the rifle. Tikkas are great but unless you live in the rainforest stainless/synthetics are UGLY and unnecessary.
7mm rem mag is also the most overrated cartridge around. It is actually no better at killing things than a 165 gr premium bullet in a 30-06. You can buy lots of excellent 06s on the net and save over a new Tikka. As to the scopes, the only brand you mentioned that's worth anything is Leupold. The best hunting scope they make is the fixed 6x for longer ranges or the 4x for big game. In variables, step up and get the 2.5-8X VIII. I just put one on my new Benelli R-1 and it clearly better than a V II.
As to mounts dont get taken in. The best looking and strongest mounts are the S&K (http://www.scopemounts.com/)Sleek, strong and light and they dont leave ring marks either. You can get them from Brownells at a discount. Load the new Barnes triple shock in that new rifle and you'll have a real winner.
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Johnny5,

 

   Great gun,you want be sorry.I also am hooked on the mighty 7mm.Tikkas have a long heritage of accurate guns.Check into SWFA's Sample List at the refurbished 3x9x40 Zeiss Conquest.You get awesome glass,great price and a transferable warranty in your price range.

 For scope mounts also look at www.tacticalprecision.com.

  Great price and robust mounts.

 

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