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MY EXPERIENCE--- I just purchased a new pair of Bino's....Olympus Magellan EXWP-I for under 200.00. Not being familiar with bino's and what makes a good pair vs bad pair( glass) I did alot of reading on this and other web sites concerning anything with bino's. I know you can spend thousands of dollars on binos. With that in mind I decided that I would start out low and go from there. On one of the opinions that I read concerning glass quality a person made a reference between this particular pair and another higher dollar pair. He stated the novice person such as myself would not be able to really pick up on the difference in glass quality. However, with that being said, this is my opinion only. I own 14 scoped rifles. I own Leupold's, Nikon, Bushnell, Trijicon, Zeiss and others. Each gun has a particular purpose and is scoped that way. I know that the OLYMPUS Magellan EXWP-I is not the most expensive binoculars out there and maybe not the best, but for the price I have found that these are exceptional in what I was use to. They are CRISP,CLEAR and have a fast focus. The edge to edge clarity is GOOD. I took these out and watched deer late in the evenings, right up to dark and was amazed at how well I could still see with them. The one thing I will say is that they are the best that I've had the pleasure to use so far. So if you have a limited budget of 200.00 or less I would give these serious consideration. AGAIN this is my personal experience and opinion
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Your experience is identical to mine.  In fact, I have compared mine to many costing 3 to 4 times as much and would take the Olympus pair every time.  Some of these comparisons were head to head, others were not.  I have used them bear hunting in rugged territory and in driving rain and they have not failed me yet.  I feel like I want to buy another pair just to have on hand so that I can have one pair in one place and another in another place.  Great pair of binos, not only for the money, but for what they are and that is terrific optics.
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FInally got a chance to see these Olympus binoculars live.  I did not spend a whole lot of time with them, but I was not particularly impressed.  It is probably OK for the money, but not much more than that.  The binocular I looked at (8x model) had a lot of chromatic aberration and the eyecups did not stay in place.  Flare during sunset was also pretty bad.

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I reviewed this binocular about a year ago and posted my findings here:
 
 
 
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

FInally got a chance to see these Olympus binoculars live.  I did not spend a whole lot of time with them, but I was not particularly impressed.  It is probably OK for the money, but not much more than that.  The binocular I looked at (8x model) had a lot of chromatic aberration and the eyecups did not stay in place.  Flare during sunset was also pretty bad.

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 Did you look at the EXWP Is, because there are two different Magellan sets.  I have the 10x pair.  What do you mean by the eyecups did not stay in place?  Do you mean the covers or the attached eyecups to seal away aberrant sun light.  If you mean the latter, I cannot even begin to imagine that was a problem.  I would have to take pliers to rip mine off.  As far a flare and chromatic aberration,  I have encountered  minimal to none at all.  I would check to make sure you were looking throught the right set of Magellans, or spend more time with them.  A quick look, as you said, is not enough time to spend with any optic, as I have been informed many times on this forum.  I have spent countless hours with them and have compared them to other binoculars other hunters were using, to include Leupolds, Nikons, Leicas and some others that were not in the same category.  The Olympus held its own and in fact, I would not even dare spend the money they did on those binoculars, when the Olympus was the equal if not better in most cases.  I think a lot of people suffer from the, "Expensive name brand bias" and "I am going to look like a real high tech. hunter when I pull out these bad boys".  Next time you go to a shop with a lot of binos, have the guy pull out five different pairs and have him hand them to you without looking at them until you have put them up to your eyes and go through all five.  Then see what you think.
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One more thing.  We have two experienced hunters and persons who use optics regularly who love these binos and two that do not.  What does that tell you?  It tells me, that some body is probably wrong, because people at our age should not differ that much on an opinion of a product that much.  Olympus makes its own glass and some of the finest digital cameras and lenses in the business.  But, because they do not market their binos to hunters, could that cause some bias.  Bias, is a powerful thing.  But, one thing is for sure.  As rifledude has taught me.  More than a little time is needed before completely evaluating an optical product.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

One more thing.  We have two experienced hunters and persons who use optics regularly who love these binos and two that do not.  What does that tell you?  It tells me, that some body is probably wrong...


This I completely agree with - though not for the barmy reasons you posted.

Considering that one of the two opinion sets is supported by someone who is an optical engineer, I'll stand behind my previously posted review. 

If you find that the Magellan is satisfactory to you, that's great. Count yourself among the lucky few who are not as demanding as others who have made the "mistake" of learning how to identify optical failings (and are subsequently bothered by them) and can get away with lesser products. There's no shame in that. 
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Here is the 2008 Olympus website:Olympus 2008

As you can see, there is only one EXWP I binocular listed, and it is the 10x42mm Magellan.
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I have compared a lot of binoculars over the last few years (probably 20 to 30 per year on average).  I have probably looked at almost every binocular that has been on the market in the last five years.

 I have done blind testing of binoculars.  I have taped up binoculars and given them to people at the range to look at.  I have had my coworkers who know a lot about images and nothing about binoculars look at them, etc.  Basically, I feel that I know what to look for in binocular optics and how to look for it.

As for the eyecups, these binocular have twist up eyecups that kept folding back into the binocular, so I could not maintain proper eyerelief with them.

I only had a quick look, which is why I did not talk about the optical qualities that are a bit more difficult to ascertain.  However, flare and chromatic aberrations are not hard to see and they were pretty significant in this binocular.  It could be a bad batch, or they could all be like this.

I do not think it is fair on your part to accuse me of "Expensive name brand bias".  I have looked at a lot of binos and scopes out there and measured quite a few in the lab.  I feel that I know what I am talking about. 

Besides, right alongside the "expensive name bias", I think there is a strong "whatever I've got is as good or better than the more expensive stuff" bias, don't you think?

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Originally posted by Koshkin:
 
Besides, right alongside the "expensive name bias", I think there is a strong "whatever I've got is as good or better than the more expensive stuff" bias, don't you think?
 
Yes I agree with that and actually admitted to a similar bias in another thread.  But, as I have said, the ones that I own do not exhibit any of the flaws you mention.  They are about two years old and maybe the manufacturing of these have changed.  Mine were made in Japan.  But, medic52s review seems good.
 
Birdwatcher, they used to sell a lower priced model of a different name that also carried a subtitle, Magellan.  It is no longer in their 2008 catalogue.
 
Now, lucinik.  I completely understand that Koshkin is an optical engineer and I appreciate his knowledge that he brings to the forum.  What I am about to say, is not to denigrate Koshkin, but to make a point.  Just because a person is a mechanical engineer, does not make him qualified to see if a bridge is properly put together.  He may have shops around the country purely testing tensile strength of cable sent out to other companies.  Just because a man is a general surgeon, does not make him a neurosurgeon.  Just because you have a MBA from the Wharton School of Business does not make you a millionaire.  In fact Koshkin is very knowledgeable with regards to optics, but he himself has said that he works more with and correct me if I am wrong Koshkin, with LCDs and Plasma displays.  But, in your post, that is not what really bothers me, it is the sharply derogatory comment about my knowledge of optics and willingness to accept lesser quality products because of  the said lack of knowledge.  You also are are accusing medic52 of the same, since he likes the binos and prefaces his post as having lots of experience with optics.  Personally, I find this an inflammatory comment in the RMS style and suggests an inferiority complex.  I will not comment on my competency with optics or firearms.
 
 


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Did you look at the EXWP Is, because there are two different Magellan sets.  I have the 10x pair.  What do you mean by the eyecups did not stay in place?  Do you mean the covers or the attached eyecups to seal away aberrant sun light.  If you mean the latter, I cannot even begin to imagine that was a problem.  I would have to take pliers to rip mine off.  As far a flare and chromatic aberration,  I have encountered  minimal to none at all.  I would check to make sure you were looking throught the right set of Magellans, or spend more time with them.  A quick look, as you said, is not enough time to spend with any optic, as I have been informed many times on this forum.  I have spent countless hours with them and have compared them to other binoculars other hunters were using, to include Leupolds, Nikons, Leicas and some others that were not in the same category.  The Olympus held its own and in fact, I would not even dare spend the money they did on those binoculars, when the Olympus was the equal if not better in most cases.  I think a lot of people suffer from the, "Expensive name brand bias" and "I am going to look like a real high tech. hunter when I pull out these bad boys".  Next time you go to a shop with a lot of binos, have the guy pull out five different pairs and have him hand them to you without looking at them until you have put them up to your eyes and go through all five.  Then see what you think.
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

One more thing.  We have two experienced hunters and persons who use optics regularly who love these binos and two that do not.  What does that tell you?  It tells me, that some body is probably wrong, because people at our age should not differ that much on an opinion of a product that much.  Olympus makes its own glass and some of the finest digital cameras and lenses in the business.  But, because they do not market their binos to hunters, could that cause some bias.  Bias, is a powerful thing.  But, one thing is for sure.  As rifledude has taught me.  More than a little time is needed before completely evaluating an optical product.
 
Now Dolphin, aside from the color emphasis I have placed, are these not your exact posts - both of which are located above (and therefore posted before mine)?  Do these posts, especially taken in the context of the entire thread, not accuse both me and Koshkin of being ignorant, wrong, and biased if not out-right liars?  Why yes, they surely do.   It would seem that the first barbs being flung are quite clearly coming from your camp.
 
Now, you cannot possibly think to hypocritically sit and play the "innocent," feigning offense at the counter-suggestion that perhaps you simply lack the relevant education, experience, and knowledge needed to accurately accomplish the task at hand.  To do so is beneath your intelligence.  
 
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Here is the 2008 Olympus website:Olympus 2008

As you can see, there is only one EXWP I binocular listed, and it is the 10x42mm Magellan.
 
Interestingly though, the picture of the binoculars on the webpage you linked has one (the full-sized black unit) that is clearly labelled as an 8x42 EXWP I
 
Also, clicking on the link in the list of models for the "8x42 WP I" leads you to a page where this model is again clearly labelled as being an "8x42 EXWP I."   Hovering over this same link brings up one of those little yellow link-description boxes where it is erroneously described as an "8x42 XEWP I."
 
Clearly, the website is not entirely accurate.


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If I may ask a question to whomever would like to answer....I spent $200.00 on a pair of these binoculars and for me they are the best pair that I have ever owned. I was not smart enough to put as much into binos as scopes and have learned the errors of my ways and as time and funds permit I will upgrade. I admit that I am not any type of expert on scopes or binoculars when it comes to dissecting the glass quality of each different brand available. I understand, kinda, what chromatic aberration is and the principle behind it concerning the dispersion of the wave lenghts of light.....I have not had the pleasure of looking thru the HIGH DOLLAR types so I can not compare. My DUMB questions is that I am colorblind how does this effect my ability to see the difference in glass and what should I look for?
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Medic52, if the binoculars look good to your eyes, then that is all that matters.  There may be manufacturing difference between different binoculars, or your eye may be less trained to look for flaws.  Either way, the only thing that is important is whether the binoculars look good to your eyes and deliver the image that you find pleasing.  Everything else is secondary.

Now, Dolphin, about my background, aside from the fact that I explicitely stated that I have looked through a LOT of optics, I work in digital imaging.  THe company I work for makes imaging sensors for high end photography, digital cinema, camcorders, industrial vision, etc.  Before that I worked for Raytheon working on night vision weapon sights among other things.  Before that I worked on imagng sensors for land-based astronomy.  Before that I worked on micro-optic devices for telecommunications (this was primarily work with optical fibers and with glass based polarization interferometers).  Before that I did some work on planar waveguides.  Before that I got my degree in Applied Physics from Caltech specializing in optics. 

The bulk of my professional career has been in the field of test and measurement and/or characterization.  I look at images and make sense of them for a living.

Now, it is entirely possible that I saw a pair that is a victim of manufacturing tolerances or a QC error.  It is also entirely possible that yours are entirely good. Or Olympus may just have a large manufacturing variance (by the way Olympus does not make their own glass, although they do grind their own lenses for a lot of stuff.  I would be surprised if these binoculars were actually manufactured by Olympus; it is more than likely that these were OEM'ed out).

However, I feel that I do know what I am doing and I do know how to test a binocular.

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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

 
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Did you look at the EXWP Is, because there are two different Magellan sets.  I have the 10x pair.  What do you mean by the eyecups did not stay in place?  Do you mean the covers or the attached eyecups to seal away aberrant sun light.  If you mean the latter, I cannot even begin to imagine that was a problem.  I would have to take pliers to rip mine off.  As far a flare and chromatic aberration,  I have encountered  minimal to none at all.  I would check to make sure you were looking throught the right set of Magellans, or spend more time with them.  A quick look, as you said, is not enough time to spend with any optic, as I have been informed many times on this forum.  I have spent countless hours with them and have compared them to other binoculars other hunters were using, to include Leupolds, Nikons, Leicas and some others that were not in the same category.  The Olympus held its own and in fact, I would not even dare spend the money they did on those binoculars, when the Olympus was the equal if not better in most cases.  I think a lot of people suffer from the, "Expensive name brand bias" and "I am going to look like a real high tech. hunter when I pull out these bad boys".  Next time you go to a shop with a lot of binos, have the guy pull out five different pairs and have him hand them to you without looking at them until you have put them up to your eyes and go through all five.  Then see what you think.
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

One more thing.  We have two experienced hunters and persons who use optics regularly who love these binos and two that do not.  What does that tell you?  It tells me, that some body is probably wrong, because people at our age should not differ that much on an opinion of a product that much.  Olympus makes its own glass and some of the finest digital cameras and lenses in the business.  But, because they do not market their binos to hunters, could that cause some bias.  Bias, is a powerful thing.  But, one thing is for sure.  As rifledude has taught me.  More than a little time is needed before completely evaluating an optical product.
 
Now Dolphin, aside from the color emphasis I have placed, are these not your exact posts - both of which are located above (and therefore posted before mine)?  Do these posts, especially taken in the context of the entire thread, not accuse both me and Koshkin of being ignorant, wrong, and biased if not out-right liars?  Why yes, they surely do.   It would seem that the first barbs being flung are quite clearly coming from your camp.
 
Now, you cannot possibly think to hypocritically sit and play the "innocent," feigning offense at the counter-suggestion that perhaps you simply lack the relevant education, experience, and knowledge needed to accurately accomplish the task at hand.  To do so is beneath your intelligence.  
 
Do you, by chance, moonlight as a strategist for the Clinton campaign? Big%20Grin
 I cannot disagree with you more.  After you have thrown your inflammatory barbs and have been caught on the carpet, you now interpret my comments as the same.  I find that even more shameful.  I cannot count the number of times I have been told on this forum that a quick look through any optic is not enough time for a thorough evaluation and the reference to bias is true, whether it be one way or the other.  It is true whether it is with a brand, costly or best buy for the money.  Bias has been thoroughly studied by psychologists and is a well known habit of all humans that advertisers take advantage of all the time, no matter what your education or degree is in.  Koshkin, I appreciate your updated CV and your contribution to the OT.  Without going into any detail, my CV is quite extensive, attending multiple Universities and obtaining several degrees.  Undergraduate school, was a school primarily that graduated engineers, from which designed the Chesapeake Bay Bridge tunnel and I too took many electives to include calc 3 and statics and well as 3 levels of calc based physics, of which I have forgotten more than I can remember.  I too have looked through many high quality optics and feel I am well qualified to judge what is good and what is not.  I own plenty of Olympus 35mm and Nikon 35mm cameras as well as digitals and have been photographing and hunting since I was a kid.  Bottom line is, unless you work with optics on a daily basis, test optics on a daily basis, view optics on a daily basis, produce optics on a daily basis and that is your job, such as the engineers at Leupold or Swarovski, then you are truly not an expert.  Not me, not lucinik and not you.  We have our opinions based on our knowledge and education, some more informed than others, but in the end, its like you told medic52, if it looks good to your eyes, thats all it matters.
 
lucinik.  I like how you edited your post and removed your comment regarding "are you French" and inserted the comment about a Clinton strategist.  Thought about that one a while.  Just out of curiosity, what if I did like Hillary Clinton?  Would that make me less qualified to judge a piece of optical equipment?  Who is your candidate?
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Koshkin, just curious, how do you know that Olympus does not make their own glass?  I know for their present day digital camera lenses, they are actually made in China, or at least the ones that I have purchased were, but I am not sure whether it was in an Olympus owned plant or out sourced.  I know with my 35mm stuff, they made all their lenses and I have one point and shoot Olympus digital 8080 that has an Olympus made Zuiko lenses, as opposed to the cheap lenses that put on the small models.  Do you know if the Magellan binos that you looked through had made in Japan on them?  Just curious, as mine were made in Japan and I am wondering if that have our sourced those now.  My Olympus digital cameras e-volt 500 and a 300, were made, I believe in China also.  They take great pictures, but it is funny they would out source their cameras, which they made their name on and make binos in Japan (or out source them to a company in Japan).
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

  
lucinik.  I like how you edited your post and removed your comment regarding "are you French" and inserted the comment about a Clinton strategist. 
  Yeah, that was a good one too.  I just couldn't decide which I liked better.  Finally decided on the Clinton one just because it's so timely.
 
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Thought about that one a while. 
I'm sure you did. Big%20Grin
 
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what if I did like Hillary Clinton? 
Then you should be killed. Barney
 
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Would that make me less qualified to judge a piece of optical equipment? 
Yes.  Any supporter/friend of hers is clearly incapable of seeing straight. Whacko
 
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Who is your candidate?
At this point,  there isn't a single "good" candidate. We are most definately in the unhappy position of simply trying to choose the lesser of the various evils. Skull%20Wink


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Well, just for the record, I was a Duncan Hunter supporter and I am not a Hillary Clinton backer.  I have to admit, those were some good responses. 

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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Koshkin, just curious, how do you know that Olympus does not make their own glass?  I know for their present day digital camera lenses, they are actually made in China, or at least the ones that I have purchased were, but I am not sure whether it was in an Olympus owned plant or out sourced.  I know with my 35mm stuff, they made all their lenses and I have one point and shoot Olympus digital 8080 that has an Olympus made Zuiko lenses, as opposed to the cheap lenses that put on the small models.  Do you know if the Magellan binos that you looked through had made in Japan on them?  Just curious, as mine were made in Japan and I am wondering if that have our sourced those now.  My Olympus digital cameras e-volt 500 and a 300, were made, I believe in China also.  They take great pictures, but it is funny they would out source their cameras, which they made their name on and make binos in Japan (or out source them to a company in Japan).


I've had some professional relationship to Olympus, so I have some idea of what they do.  As for the binoculars, I would be very surprised if they were made in Japan, although that is possible.  A lot of their higher end lenses they make themselves.  A lot of their lower end lenses are either designed by Olympus and made elsewhere or fully OEM'ed out.  Sporting optics is not their emphasis, so I would be surprised if they manufactured them in house.  Too cheap.  For Olympus to actually make something in-house it has to be a more expensive (read: "higher margin") item.  For the stuff they outsource in Japan, they had used Fuji.  For the bulk of their cheaper items they go to China.

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Not really, no.  Dolphin has questioned my competence and worked over time trying to argue that I do not know what I am doing.  It is perfectly fine to disagree with me.  We all have different eyes and see different things.  However, questioning my competence is not kosher at all.  Besides, based on what he wrote, he really did not understand what I do for a living.

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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:


Clearly, the website is not entirely accurate.


Dang, lucznik, you must have been Sherlock Holmes in a previous life.

I must have either been in a hurry or in need of a good nights sleep.

Thanks, I'll go crawl back into my lair and take a catnap.

(I think the "Golden Years" are full of Senior Moments!)




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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Can't we all just get along?? Bandito
 
Where's the fun in that?
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

I think the "Golden Years" are full of Senior Moments!
 
You know, both my grandmother and my great-grandfather were long-time Alzheimer's sufferers (they didn't actually diagnose Alzheimer's back when my g-granddad was alive but, looking at reports of his behaviours and degression now, it's pretty clear what he had.)  It therefore stands to reason that at somepoint, I have a fair chance of developing the same memory-killing disease.
 
When that happens to me, do you know what the worst part is going to be?
 
 
No one will know the difference. Big%20Grin
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:


No one will know the difference. Big%20Grin


We will!   
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