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Bend, Ore. – October 31, 2012 – Nosler, Inc. is pleased to announce the release of their new line of AccuBond® Long Range bullets. Developed through a combination of bullet manufacturing techniques that are unique to Nosler, the design of the AccuBond®-LR allows for the highest B.C. possible in a bullet of the same caliber and weight. Designed with an optimum performance window ranging from 3,200fps to 1,300fps, the unique tapered jacket geometry and proprietary
bonding process of the AccuBond®-LR allow it to expand rapidly for effective energy transfer and significant tissue damage while retaining sufficient weight to ensure deep penetration into the vitals. The AccuBond® bonding process allows the AccuBond®-LR to perform reliably on game throughout the entire velocity range, eliminating the problem of being “too close” often encountered with other high-B.C. bullets. The high-performance boat tail, long ogive, and polymer tip combine to make the AccuBond®-LR the sleekest, flattest- shooting, bonded, hunting bullet ever created. The ogive of the AccuBond®-LR is designed to provide excellent accuracy in a wide variety of firearms without the necessity of being loaded close to or in contact with the lands. The new AccuBond®-LR will be packaged in 100 count boxes, and will initially be available in the following calibers and weights.

These are awesome! Nosler is going to take the long range market by storm.
Way to go Nosler.

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Oh yeah, I'm a nosler fan so I'm anxious to try the 210s
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Oh, man!  I liked the original AB, but I see many 129 6.5mm and 168 7mm ALRs in my immediate future!

Thanks for passing this along, Roy!
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So sweet.  So, so sweet. .730?  Good grief.
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I am not trying to take a stab at Nosler but I have never gotten the results as they stated with the BC I do not know why but I am usually as much as 10% or greater off. I like the looks of them I really do...

I have wanted to do some more chrono to stand behind the above statement but this was over 3 or 4 visits that I noticed the in accuracy. I shot some swifts that were dead on and some bergers that were dead on so I know I was getting good data that day.

I still will try these once available. I just want to put my faith in them that much.
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I am excited about them.
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What is the G1 & G7 part of that grid?
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It is two different kinds of BC (Ballistic Coefficient).
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

I am not trying to take a stab at Nosler but I have never gotten the results as they stated with the BC I do not know why but I am usually as much as 10% or greater off. I like the looks of them I really do...

I have wanted to do some more chrono to stand behind the above statement but this was over 3 or 4 visits that I noticed the in accuracy. I shot some swifts that were dead on and some bergers that were dead on so I know I was getting good data that day.

I still will try these once available. I just want to put my faith in them that much.
Lapua,
 
I tested Accubonds a few years ago (200 gr. 30 cal and 140 gr. .270) by shooting through a chronograph at the muzzle and at 300 yards.  I then used JBM to calculate BC and got very close to the published G1 BCs.
 
I also got reliable drop information to 800 yards with the 160 gr. accubond out of the 7 mag using the published G1 BC.
 
I assume that the rifling marks from each individual rifle will affect BC values, though.
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I found Nosler overstated BCs too. You gotta use the Litz calculated values when available. But maybe these are measured better. Still, I'm skeptical that their 190 gr bullet could be .325 when a Berger target VLD is only .291. Regardless they'll be better than current Nosler options and the Accubonds have been my hunting bullet of choice.
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How does this compare to the Amax?
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Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

It is two different kinds of BC (Ballistic Coefficient).


Ahh, OK. That gives me something to work with on Google.
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IIRC G1 was designed way way back when bullets design was very simple and more square shaped.  So a G1 BC is not a good representation of the modern bullets aerodynamics.  The G7 BC formula takes into account the modern styling that goes into a bullet.  So it is can give you more accurate data when using ballistic calcs.  
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Out to 600 yards for most high velocity loads you can use a G1 BC and get nearly the same results in a ballistics calculator as you would with a G7 BC. So if that's all you have, use it. Just make sure you select the right drag model (G1).
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G1 is really only good at one velocity, G7 is good, for modern bullets, over the entire velocity range. 
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Originally posted by djp0623 djp0623 wrote:

How does this compare to the Amax?
 
Campare how ? The AMax is a paper (target design) bullet that folks do use for hunting. The Accubond is a hunting bullet from the start.
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Also, the Amax core isn't bonded to the jacket; the AB is bonded.  The Amax has a conventional continuous thickness jacket, whereas the AB has a tapered jacket that gets thicker toward the bottom, to help control the rate of expansion.  Amax expands pretty violently; AB won't expand to as large a frontal area, permitting greater penetration, comparing bullets of the same weight, caliber, and impact velocity.  
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Yes, that was kind of my point.
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Sorry Roy; didn't mean to restate the obvious.  Just intended to point out the bonded core aspect since there are plenty of hunting bullets that are constructed just like target bullets without the bonded core and tapered jackets, i.e. NBT, SGK, etc.
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Too bad they don't have a .308 in a 168??
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Too bad they don't have a .308 in a 168??


They already have a 165 Accubond.

The point to these ALRs is high BCs
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Where's the .338?  I talked to Richard Mertz yesterday, and I'm thinking of a two-barrel MOA maximum.  I think barrel #1 would be a .338 RCM, and barrel #2 would be a 6.5x47 Lapua.  A 300gr .338 would be good medicine for a 16.5" Maximum!
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Those are only the initial offerings.  I'm sure .338, as well as 6mm/.243 will likely be added to the line in another year or two.  New bullet designs always start out with a limited selection of the bullets they feel will be most popular at first until the mfg gets tooled up for full production capacity and their distributor  inventory builds.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:



G1 is really only good at one velocity, G7 is good, for modern bullets, over the entire velocity range.
I asked Bryan Litz about this because I noticed in his book that flat based bullets actually had less variation in G1 BC than in G7 BC across the velocity range. Since most of us use boat tails you're right to prefer the G7 BC since the drag model fits the bullet shape.

But if G1 is all you have, you'll be fine out to 600 with most high-power loads. Believe me, I was skeptical of this but ran a ton of different loads when unit testing my ballistic calculator app (and manually in JBM). The variation out to 600 might be 1". You'll see that difference just between reputable calculators using the exact same input.

Ultimately, the only true test is actual range dope. You can tweak your calculator then so it can be used under other air densities.
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Sorry for my Amax post.  I looked up the AMax BC.  It appears this new hunting round has a better BC than the Amax target bullet.

I've been thinking about trying 208gr in my FNAR.  It has a 1/10 twist, and really likes the 168gr.  Then I could use the 208gr for hunting and longer range target.
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