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This is my 1st post, and I hope to get some really good feedback from the optics pro's here on this sight.
I've got to buy a scope for my rifle. I have a Rem. 700 Sendero that was re-chambered to .257 STW, and swapped barrels for a 28" #7 Douglas.
It's got a Warren 20 moa rail, but I sold my boss the B&L E4200 6-24x40 that was on it.
I purchased that scope from SWFA about 5 yrs ago, and to this day I've never looked through better glass for what I paid for it, but I want something different.
This rifle is mainly used for punching holes through deer, coyotes, paper, and the occasional beer can.
Max range I prefer to shoot is 700-800 yrds.
Shoots super flat. All my handloads are 100-115 gr lead, and run 3800+ fps.
I really prefer not to twist knobs, I's rather hold over with a reference, but have never used ANY type of range reticle.
I have read all these post over the past few weeks, and tried to come up with the right fit.
What I really want is a NF 5.5-22x50mm NXS, but even if I had the money, I couldn't justify having more in the glass than in the gun.
So here's the list of my favorites as of now:
Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50 md
Vortex PST 6-24x50mm md or mil/rad
Sightron SIII 6-24x50mm md

I want minimum 20x on the high side, side focus, and what's the diff in 1/10 mil and .25 moa dot? Which reticle is better for me?

Thanks for listening, I'm outta breath now.
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IMHO-----ZEISS
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those are all good scopes
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To answer your question regarding the difference between mils and MOA (minute of angle), they are both measurements of angle. A mil is 1/1000th of a radian, which is a curved segment around the edge of a circle equal to the circle's radius. A minute of angle is 1/60th of a degree. Generally, most scopes have come with turrets that are some fraction of MOA, typically 1/4 MOA. This includes many that have mil-based reticles. The problem with that is that you end up having to convert between the two different systems.

So what's nice is to match the turrets to the reticle, e.g. mil/mil. That way, if you are taking a follow-up shot it will be easier to correct. For example, if I see that the shot was 2.5 mils to the left, I can either use the reticle to aim 2.5 mils right or dial in the correction. The same would apply to a MOA/MOA scope. I believe that only the Vortex has turrets that match the reticle (mil/mil).
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Originally posted by Corndawg Corndawg wrote:

.... but even if I had the money, I couldn't justify having more in the glass than in the gun.


and why the hell not?  stick around, we'll help you get over that mentality!!
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I have a friend building that same rifle now, he wants 4000  FPS from a 125-gr projectile.  I am intrested in seeing the thing in action.  I told him the barrels won't last long, launching that thing is like taking a plasma torch to the throat with every shot.

Of those listed, I'd say buy the Sightron.  The glass, to my eye, was almost identical to the Nightforce glass (meaning far better than good enough.)  I cannot comment on the Viper PST as I have not seen one in person.  The Conquest is a good scope, but still a 1-inch tube.  And the Sightron is about $200 less than the Conquest.  Conquest glass might be a touch better ('might"!) but the 30mm tube is the deal-breaker for me in a long-range scope.

For the money, you can't beat the Sightron.

Good luck with the gun.

And if you reload, I'd be interested in hearing your recipes.
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Thanks gentlemen.
Good stuff!
When I said I couldn't justify spending more for the glass than the gun, I probably should have said my wife couldn't justify it. Hee hee!

I know this is an optics forum, and not a gun forum, but to respond to RC, I've seen 4,019 fps between the crony sticks with 100 gr b-tips, but that load was really hot, and I cratered the primers so I've backed down some.
RE25 & Retumbo are the slow burn powders I've worked with.

It can be a barrel scorcher, but the lead really screams on the short end.
11 inches low @ 500 yrds with a 300 yd zero.

Again, thanx for the input on these scopes. I'll keep all in mind when making my decision.
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The Zeiss would be my first pick but you will learn that your glass is just as and in most cases more impotant than the rifle it is on. If you can see it better you can hit it better!
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If you use the Sightron you need to dial in correction. If you use the Conquest you can use the balistic reticles for hold over but only at a specific power usually the max but Zeiss has a special calculator on their site to figure it out.  The problem I see wiht a hunting scope that is high power like 20x max is that a second focal plane balistic reticle would only work for hold over at the max power and when it gets dark you would need to dial down to 6x or 7x to brighten it up.  Based on what you are wanting I would suggest you order one of the Vortex  6-24x50 Viper PST scopes that is FFP and 1/10 mil clicks wiht the EBR reticle which is in mils.  Basically once you know your hold over in mils you just hold on that mark on the reticle or you could dial in or do a combination say 4.2 mils correction would dial in .2 and hold on the 4th mil mark down.  The fact that the scope is FFP first focal plane means that the same system works at every power for known hold over which is way better than a second focal plane scope that will only work for hold over at the highest power.

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