New Guy, Old shooter, Best Scope Question

Lots of great info from you guys...I've been reading a lot. Want to build skills as a rifleman, after years of hunting and non-dedicated shooting.  I'm looking toward getting a good quality scope for general use that will last me as I get to know it inside-out. I'll be shooting most at 200-900 meters with ability for CQB. I've been taking classes on both bolt and mag-fed rifles.  Want to be the best I can be.  Lots more experience over the last 50 years with pistols. Not looking to compete tho'. This will live on an HK91 or other DMR type, and possibly be switched to a compact bolt gun at times (maybe).

Must-haves; FFP, illumination, ranging reticle, rugged, bright and clear glass for old eyes, max price range is <$1000, great low light ability.
Likes/Wants; forgiving eye-box, minimal tunnel effect, compactness, quick handling characteristics

The candidates so far; Burris XTRII 2-10x36 and the 3-15x50; Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x32; Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 (no illum); and Super Sniper 3-9x42 HD, and SS 3-15x42 Classic.

I'm partial to 2x on the low end for close range stuff, and certainly no more than 3x, for the all-around nature of this.  I think with great glass, even 9x would be good at 800-900 yds, so don't see that any more than 15x on the top end is important.

I've got a passle of vanilla hunting scopes; Bushy 4200, Lupy VX3, etc. etc. Something more flexible and tougher with 'tactical' aspects may be the ticket.

Please tell me if my thinking is off, and if I'm overlooking anything important.  I respect the knowledge you guys bring to the table. Thanks.

The SS 3-9x HD is hard to beat for a do all scope and the optical quality is really excellent and above the price point.  I also have the SS 3-15x and Weaver 3-15x Tactical scopes, both of which are excellent but at the cost of size and weight. At the upper end of your budget you should also look at the Swarovski Z3 and Leupold VX 3 lines if size and weight are considerations.

I have the SS 3-15X42. For the money I am not sure it could be beat within your specifications. Only thing it does not have is the illumination. It is the rare occasion that the need for it has come up for me. The reticle on the SS is bold enough to stand out even in low light. The SS 1-6 HD is at the top of your price range. This scope will have the illumination and better glass. I have this on a LAR-8 Predator and with the improved clarity taking shots at 800 yards is not out of the question. It would be weakness by the shooter or the rifle, before either of these optics let you down.

Welcome to Optics Talk. 

Thanks for the replies. So, you are feeling that the optical quality of the SS 3-9 HD or the 3-15 are the equal of the new Burris XTR II line??

Has anyone compared these two lines of scopes (XTR II v. SS)? 

Hello, Ilya?

I have not tested the XTR II yet.  Let me ping my Burris contact and ask him to send me one.

Something such as this, O Dark One??

Exactly.

I've got a 10x42HD set up that way making it into a pretty effective 1x/10x setup.

ILya

Good food for thought! I'm leaning toward the SS's but still question the idea of having an illuminated reticle for dark days, close fast movers, and generally extending shooting possibilities in the dark...
BUT, I've never had an illum. reticle before and am not sure of it's best applications. Where might it fit between PVS 14, Flir, and my Glocks set up with RMR's?  Would the illum reticle be used for accurate shots in the 100 to 300 yard envelope? Or, for night "accuracy" would my Aimpoint M4s be it? (that doesn't seem workable to me at present)
Thanks for your replies...they are valuable!!

Ilya, your left handed rifle looks like the dot is set up for a right handed shooter?  The Weaver Tactical 3-15x is available with illuminated reticle but the illumination is not visible in full daylight.  It is comparable to the SS 3-15, a bit larger and heavier but it also has locking turret caps which could be an advantage on a hunting scope.  Optically there isn't a significant difference between these two scopes.  Add in the SS 3-9x with HD glass and it has the optical edge to my eye except for top end magnification.

Rainman wrote: Ilya, your left handed rifle looks like the dot is set up for a right handed shooter?

Possibly dumb question: you run Glocks with RMRs, you run M4-type rifles with Aimpoints, you are scoping an HK91, and you have pretty high demands of the scope: why the $1,000 ceiling?

Rancid, you make excellent points. I'll try to explain my thoughts and see if the explanation holds up to scrutiny--this is the type of discussion I was hoping for. All good thoughts so far.
My feeling on the illumination was this; in a patrolling class you have just what you have. The situation may call for a longer shot (I envision the 800-900 yd max). It may call for sudden up-close engagement (so walking with w/ no more than 2x or 3x on the scope is required--it's good to hear you say illum wouldn't be needed for dark days in the bush--how about night patrol tho'?). The offset red dot is an idea, if the thing was small enough that it didn't get hung up on brush.  I think the Aimpoint Micro is way too big to hang off of a scope. The RMR size dot is as big as I'd consider, but it is an idea.  I just thought that the illuminated reticle would be a good idea especially at low power, and would allow the scope to handle both situations.

In an FFP scope on low power, the illumination would really help to quickly see the crosshairs that are pretty small at that point. For very close situations, the pistol may be the preferred way to deal with things, but I'd give up the power of the rifle and I think the right scope in the dark would be great for quick engagement even out to 1-200 yds, depending.

I'd be comfortable with the SS 3-9 HD or the 3-15, just wish it had illum.  I think those scopes in that power range would handle the max yardage easily. But my original question was to consider the new Burris XTR II that shares the features of the SS's but with illum too. Just wanted to know if the glass was as good as SS and if they were as rugged. Don't think I need a larger, more powerful scope for this. Am I overlooking some advantages I'm not seeing?   As to the HK, I'm just committed to the platform at this point (aside from bolts). It's no slouch either...just over 1" with ball ammo. What are you thinking...German glass on a German rifle??

There is no question the HK91 is cool as hell.  For a gun that will see hard use, it wouldn't be my first choice: it is heavy,  parts are not readily available, and guys to work on it will not be frequent - or cheap.

On illumination for the scope-I'd only consider using it on Lowest power setting up to maybe 4x or 6x depending on reticle and situation--and only on a dim setting. Mainly, I'd use illum on the FFP scope only at low power to easily see the aiming point Quickly at low/lowest power.

Having said that, I've been inspired to rethink things thanks to all your comments. Thank you. I've ordered a
new StrikeEagle 1-6x from SWFA.  That will take care of a lot. I'm also thinking of getting the SS 1-4x as well. This frees me up to consider what you clearly recommend--a higher power scope to really address the longer range applications without illumination.

Then, there is only one prime consideration; the quality of the glass and reliability.

I'm comfortable with this!  This is going to put the emphasis on the 300-1000 envelope that I really have not addressed very well. That changes the question entirely.

So am I now considering the range of scopes in flavors of Meopta, Zeiss, Swaro, and a bit higher power? Thanks for your expertise on this.

Actually, no, I am not recommending more power. My gas guns wear 3-9 or 2.5-10, I don't care for more on such a platform. I often tell people to set the gun up for the shot most often taken, not for the exception. Don't build a 1000 yard gun if it will mostly be 200-500 yard shots.

And on the vortex, it is new, it might be awesome, but it is a significant departure from anything previously discussed. It has a reticle calibrated to a 223 round - or the one I have seen does, it is SFP, and the reticle will be a challenge at 1X in any light, from the look of it.

Let us know how it goes.

These are out sometime this summer, right?

Yes, I think they said July-August. Long story so I won't go into it, but I've been reminded that I have a Trijicon 3x9 with illum. mildot. That may take care of some of this too.  Still may want another precision scope tho'. Thanks for your reply.