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Here we go again

I have an old .300 Weatherby that Im tuning up for an elk hunt next fall. Im thinking of either mounting my old (circa 1982) 2.5x8 VXIII on it, or getting a new scope all together. Choices for a new scope are VX-L in 3.5x10x50, Swaro AV in 3x9x36 or 3x10x42 in a TDS or Ballistic reticle , or perhaps a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44.

Hell, I m not sure but I do know that I want it mounted low, as I prefer a good fit and quality to HUGE glass. This may seem crazy, but I plan to mount the scope on my Knight MK-85 for deer hunting too. (Did I just make a purist cringe?) I plan to switch only because I hunt ONCE for elk per year, yet hunt mid Nov. thru Dec. for deer. We get to shoot (harvest ) a LOT of deer in Indiana. Suggestions?

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BTW, I did get a reply from Martin 3175 as I had inadvertently originally posted the question in the Test and Review Forum.

 

"Put the 2.5-8 VXIII on the Blackpowder permanently . It is the right magnification range and should be a good match.  Mount the Swaro 3x10x42 on the Weatherby . Not sure the motive for wanting to move  the scope back and forth with the Knight, but with a hard kicker like the Weatherby-stick with strong ( non detachable) mounts , site it in and keep it there"

 

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Joe Hunter -

 

Here is how I would rank order those scopes you listed, based on what you indicated was important to you:

 

1 - Swaro AV 3-9x36

2 - Swaro AV 3-10x42

3 - Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44

4 - Leupold (either)

 

From a cost/value perspective, I'd go with the Conquest.  Having just told you that, I must be honest and say I looked through a bunch of Conquests, and decided to spend more $$$.  They are very, very good values however.

 

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If you want to be able to put the scope on two different rifles and not have to re-sight it in every time you might want to give Kahles a look with multizer0.  In case you don't know, multizer0 will allow you to set 5 different zeros...can work on multiple rifles.  You can get a Kahles CL 2-7X36 or 3-9X42 with multizer0.  The glass is better than those you have already listed.  The price is also more due to the multizer0 but it will allow you to switch rifles and not have to sight it in every time. I know it's not on your list but you should give it a look, my 2 cents.
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Kahles does make a multi-zero scope; however, you will take it to the range between when you swap it anyway, so why pay more for another zero.  Maybe it works so well, no one checks it.  I doubt taht.

Of your list, I would highly recommend the Swaro 3-10x42.  I just took a Conquest off a rifle and put that on and couldn't be happier: great glass, great clarity, great color, and great reticule.  Eventually, all my hunting rifles will wear Swaro scopes - eventually!

The Conquest is a fine scope and odds are you will be very pleased with both.  If you cannot, in field conditions, put both scopes side by side and compare, it's kinda up to you.  If you compare both side-by-side, you will more appreciate the Swaro.


I have both, I prefer the Swaro.  And the ballistic reticule has been dead-nutz so far, though I haven't gone all the way out to max range.

And whatever you get, put it in QD rings with the same style Picantinny base on each gun.  Remounting will be a breeze.  Buy a cheap bore-sighter (not magnetic or laser) and make note of where on the grid your zero resides.  Then, each time you swap, bring the cross hairs back to that spot and check at the range - that bore sighter will cost far less than Kahles multi-zero.
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The Kahles will cost more, but using multizer0 will be more accurate than marking points on a grid with a boresighter.  Yes, you will need to shoot the gun once you move the scope over to it, but my guess is the Kahles with MZ will be close to zeroed and will only require one or two shots to confirm this.  Even if you don't want the multizer0, I would still recommend getting a Kahles KX or CL, Kahles makes better scopes than their owner (swaro) in my opinion.  Especially in the 1" tube variety.  Good luck.
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I disagree, but that should suprise no one.  "Better value": maybe, "better scope": not a chance.
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Don't want to start a big argument but I can't let that go.  I believe Kahles is better value and quality than Swaro (with the exception of the Z6).  I've compared the two in the field, and have concluded such.

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OK, OK, OK!  Do I have to separate you two?

 

So then, my VXIII is that bad? From what I've read at this site, there seems to be not very many Leupold fans.

I am no optics guru, but I do want quality "bombproof" glass to use at dusk/dawn. I'm sure that you guys have tested each to that effect. BUT... The Conquest seems to be a great value at being +_ 50% of the Swaro. Are the quality of the Zeiss optics that much less? Why such a drastic price difference?

Also, I have no problem with bore sighting and going to the range.

Ya know, my No. 11 caps have wreaked havoc to the bottom of my ol Leupold too. Will the new tube being whatever, be able to take it?

 

 

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The conquest will be fine, it is a fine scope.  The glass is not as good as the Kahles or Swaro, you have to step up to the Zeiss Victory to get into that group.
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Originally posted by Joe
Hunter Joe Hunter wrote:

 

So then, my VXIII is that bad? From what I've read at this site, there seems to be not very many Leupold fans.



No, your Leupold is fine!! It baffles me sometimes how anti-Leupold this site is and question some of the advice given because of that. My relatives, friends and I have a couple hundreds of years of fruitful hunting combined using Leupolds with very little issues. Because of the Internet and sites like this people are becoming aware of other manufactures, options, etc. which is a good thing!

With that said, I now own a z6 and there is definitely a difference with the higher end Euro glass. These eyes are getting a little tired and appreciate that I stepped up to the plate.

 

IMHO, I think you answered your own question on your second post....that's what I'd do.

 

QUOTE=Joe Hunter]

"Put the 2.5-8 VXIII on the Blackpowder permanently . It is the right magnification range and should be a good match.  Mount the Swaro 3x10x42 on the Weatherby

[/QUOTE]

 

-Mike



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