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Just ordered  a Savage Model 25 walking varminter  in 223. I have a nikon 6-18x40 that I am going to mount on it and see how it shoots.  As long as it does sub 3" groups at 200 yards i will be perfectly happy. If the gun shoots as good as I hope it does. I think it might need a glass upgrade. I really wanting a lighter scope with better glass, and lower bottom magnifacation. Maybe a Zeiss conquest 3-9x40 or Nikon Monarch  2.5-10x40 or 3-12x42. Something along those lines. Any ideas?
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SS 3x9x42 and don't look back.  For the price, you'll be hard pressed to beat it.
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If you dial in correction the SS 3-9 is awesome if not go with a Zeiss Conquest.
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This will be a hunting rifle. Going for lighter. And I dont need to dial in on this one. I own a SS great scopes, but I just dont know if right for this application. I also was considering saving up more and getting a leupold vx3 4.5-14x40 with side focus and a fine duplex. I would take better glass over magnification. As far as coyote goes the zeiss 3-9 would be great. I dont think that it would have enough parallax error less than 300 yards to really affect varmint hunting. 
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Of the scopes you mentioned I currently own two, the Zeiss 3-9x40 and the Monarch 2.5-10x42.
 
If you want the best glass, don't plan on using the turrets and are happy with a duplex reticle Zeiss is the winner.
 
If want a different reticle the Monarch starts looking more attractive from a value point of view.  You can get different reticles in the Zeiss but you pay a lot more for the upgrade then you will with the Monarch.  Also for dialing in for ranged shots the turrets are in my opinion much better, and you can even get a kit to add tall target style turrets.  The glass isn't as good, but it is still good glass.
 
Anyway I hope this helps,
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I ended up chaning my order. instead of the model 25. i went with the model 12fv still in 223 though. Gonna test it out with the nikon 6-18 I got but if I decide to upgrade might go a different route. maybe a monarch. 4-14.5 vx3 possibley. or bushnell 6500 2.5-16. It still will be for hunting. so big knobs arent a neccesity. So many options.

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The Zeiss or SS would be good choices in their own right.
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If this is still going to be a "Walking Varminter" and some sort of P/A is not an issue but good glass and low weight are you might look at either of these. They certainly are not suited for constant dialing of windage or elevation but because of the design of the knobs will work well to do it occasionally if the need presents itself. The glass is better than any of the new Monarch's I have used (3-12 & 4-16) and IMO is nipping at the heals of the Conquest series. Cant compare to the new VX3 or the Bushnell as I have not had the chance to use either of those.

http://swfa.com/Sightron-3-9x42-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P9158.aspx

http://swfa.com/Sightron-3-12x42-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P9161.aspx

http://swfa.com/Sightron-45-14x50-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P9174.aspx



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I ended up with teh Savage 12FV in 223. I picked it up yesterday. Mounted my current nikon buckmasters 6-18x40. I hope to shoot it in the next day or so. Im extremely excited. I picked up couple differnt hornady, federal and corbon rounds. Some of which are the new 53 gr superformance varmint vmax. I really want to see how they do. They have boatail design  for high BC and that high muzzle velocity from superformance. I CANT WAIT TO SHOO THIS BABY. Then I will start doing more research into what type of optics I want.

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When I went and picked up my model 12 yesteday they had  a nikon monach there. I messed with it.  I would not buy one after playing with it and really just because the power ring.  horrible design.  made me mad, very difficult to work.
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how about a trijicon 2.5-10x56
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How is the trijicon as far as the illuminated reticle? Do you think it would overpower small targets in low light? Big targets would no prob im just thinkn something small like groundhogs or so.
 
I am sure I am probaly getting beating a dead horse who has been run over with the tractor and burried already but, I read in a shooting book once that parrallax is not real concern under 100-500 yards. It said  soemthing like anywhere in those ranges you would never be off more than 2 inches. I really dont see my self taking shots further than 300 yards. Unless im plinking some targets abotu 4-5.
 
Right now I am leaning toward the leupold vx3 4.5-14x40 adj obj(cheaper). or long range,
 or the Bushnell elite 6500 2.6-16x42
 
Also i was reading in , i think field and stream and it said Leupold is comeing out with a VX6 class. 1:6 power range, any one heard anything about them?
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I just went out and shot my new savage today. just blasting a few. I am very very satisfied with it. I think that a better shooter on a really good day could do better. I think with a stock and good scope it could do amazing things.  But realistically it shot as good as I could.I am not the best shooter ever. I am very overall happy. I at about 180-190 yards or so. I was shooting about 1-1.5 in group.  I couldnt ask for more. Its plenty accurate enough for hunting.  
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looks good.
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Looks good my friend. The new stock will help with the groups also as the forend is pretty flimsy on that factory stock.
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You know that the 4.5-14 Leupold is really more like 5x on the low end right, if not look in their book.  If you dont need illumination I would suggest Sightron S3 scopes if you do need illumination Trijicon Accupoint.  If you intend to run Leupold I would go up to the 6.5-20x50 in the VXIII line as it has lots on internal adjustment I believe 90moa as compared to only 70 moa with its Mk 4 brother.
Leupold 6.5-20x56 VX-3L 30mm Riflescope Varmint Hunters Leupold 6.5-20x56 VX-3L 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66730
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Target Knobs
  • Side Focus
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$1,219.95
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMDCM
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • .1 MRAD Tactical Knobs
$844.95
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
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  • MOA-2
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • 1/4 MOA Tactical Knobs
$869.95
Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
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  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
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  • Free Sun Shade w/ Purchase
$1,082.95
The mil dot trijicon reticle is finer that it looks in the drawing and very precise.   Any of these scopes is a winner.  Conquest  is another to look at.
Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z Varmint Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214509975
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z Varmint
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$1,074.95
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+1  on Zeiss & Trijicon.Like to also add Minox 6-20x50.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

You know that the 4.5-14 Leupold is really more like 5x on the low end right, if not look in their book.  If you dont need illumination I would suggest Sightron S3 scopes if you do need illumination Trijicon Accupoint.  If you intend to run Leupold I would go up to the 6.5-20x50 in the VXIII line as it has lots on internal adjustment I believe 90moa as compared to only 70 moa with its Mk 4 brother.
Leupold 6.5-20x56 VX-3L 30mm Riflescope Varmint Hunters Leupold 6.5-20x56 VX-3L 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66730
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Target Knobs
  • Side Focus
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$1,219.95
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMDCM
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • .1 MRAD Tactical Knobs
$844.95
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMOA
  • Matte
  • MOA-2
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • 1/4 MOA Tactical Knobs
$869.95
Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR232G
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Sun Shade w/ Purchase
$1,082.95
The mil dot trijicon reticle is finer that it looks in the drawing and very precise.   Any of these scopes is a winner.  Conquest  is another to look at.
Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z Varmint Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214509975
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z Varmint
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$1,074.95


I don't really know anything about  Sightron scopes. Ill have to do something thinking and budgeting. I would really like to have the leupold  or ziess. I know a little about trijicon. Which of these has the best glass? I really looking to spend about 500-$1000.  Really looking for 1.glass 2. durability.       either want a plain fine plex or mildot/mil/tmr type reticles.  They they make  SSHD  FFP 4-16 , 6-20 or so with milmil!!!!! Gonna have to do some budgeting and sell some stuff. 
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which  has better glass the trijicon or the leupold, or bushnell 6500(http://bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/eliteTactical/ET4305/) ?

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after Urimaginaryfnd suggestions and some research i have easily come to the decision of

 
Thanks for your alls help I really appreciate it, now i got to do my part and come up with the money. wish me the best of luck.
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I don't think you will be disappointed. The SIIB/SIII series are high quality optics with excellent glass and adjustments.
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Had to share this with you guys. I was testing out my new rifle firing some at 1-200 yards. had 3 rounds left in the box,  decided to try 300. never shot that far.  Put a 9" paper plate(yes i know I am a redneck) on a cardboard box. I knew it dropped about 5-6 approximatley at that distance.  Used my uncles range finder to get it on right spot.  Just held the  crosshairs at the very top quadrant of the plate.  Fired off 3 hornady superformane 53grav vmax,,,, and welll

 
Sorry I took it with my phone.  I have no idea how I shot a group that good. But you can guarantee I am gonna  try it again soon and see how it does make sure its not a fluke.
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Nice gun. If you are using it for predator hunting I would stay away from the thin reticles. They don't show up against animals in low light. Mil-dots in the SFP aren't a whole lot better.
The Meopta and Zeiss offerings come with very good reticles for low light. The Trijicon is supposed to be excellent also.
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yea I am building a gong. annd hopeing to shoot out to 5-600 yards with alottttt of practice on my big gong.   So i kinda rethought it. Still will be primary varmint gun and doing some 500 yard plinking on the side. So def want big repeatble knobs. and good glass.  my first choice is stillt he S3 6-24x50. Really think its awesome scope just not gonna happen anytime soon though. Getting married in june. so moneys gotta tighten up. So in the mean time im stuck with my buckmaster. Guess im gonna find otu how repeatable it is though.
id really like to see a 3-12 or 4-16,  S3, trijicon, SS(hint hint) with bunch of adjustments about, mil/mil, sf, etc etc.
 
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