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I just got this Unique Alpine TPG1 from Austria 338 Lapua and I need professional advice to help me get one of the best tactical scopes out there. planning to hunt and shoot 1000 yards and up.
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The Unique Alpine its a very heavy weapon 16 pounds so ..I will always shoot from a tripod.
willing to spend 4-5K for a scope  that will help me hit the target at 1000+yards .
I will use my weapon for long range hunting and target practice .
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Willing to spend it, buy a Hensoldt, no question.


Be advised: having a rifle that can shoot out 1000 yards and a scope that can see out to 1000 yards does not a 1000 yard shot make.  You will play a big part in that equation.

I recommend starting at 1000 yards, get comfortable with the gun, then progress out.  If you start at the 100 yard line, the rifle and scope will be up for sale soon.  A 1000-yard shot is not an easy shot to make with consistency.

Get the 6-24 Hensoldt - and post pictures when it's all put together.


[edited to minimize stupidity - and typing errors.]



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Guys I really appreciate your opinions thank you all special to Rancid Coolaid.
I definitely like the Zeiss glass and yes I probably I will go for a Zeiss 3-12x56 SSG-P Tactical Hensoldt Telescopic 34mm Sight.
I really need to know your opinion about a Valdada 4-28x56 40mm MX-7 SF Tactical Scope Illuminated MP-8 Dot Reticule some say that the 40 mm rocks.
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What about 6-24x56 Tactical Hensoldt Telescopic 30mm Sight ?
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If I had your rifle and your budget I think the 6-24x56 is what I would go after.  At a mile on 24x your target will still seem less than 100 yards away (73.33 yards).
 
That should be a good deal easier on you than 12x (146.66 yards in perception), and you can always turn it down if there is a lot of mirage.  You will never use under 6x on a 338 LM anyway.
 
 
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If you really want to shoot 1,000 yards and it will be a neh gun, I'd get the 6-24.


Avoid Valdata, their glass is nice but their Customer Service is "hit-or-miss", and - for me - it has been much more "miss" than anything else.

You will love the Hensoldt, glass is great, turrets are great, and it is very easy to get behind.
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Guys.. thank you all again .
I order today the 6-24x56 Tactical Hensoldt Telescopic 30mm Sight ..its gona take some time .I'm not really rushing.
Now ............I need you all advice on where to start if supposable I never shoot a gun before in my life.
Yes ...I never did.
Around 6 months ago I and up at my boss party were even the 10 years old kids and 85 year old grand mom wear talking about guns and hunting.
I got drunk and something made me say that I can shoot 1000 yards.   They tuck it very seriously and that affirmation start affecting negative my life since.
The only info I got on guns at that time was the movie Sniper.
Now...I was surfing the net and learn basics about tactical guns, calibers ammunition and ballistics , I end up ordering my "show off " rifle and now with your help the scope I need.
I order the Long range shooting DVD 10 hours of instructions on how to shoot long range.."Package Deal! Beyond Belief, Beyond Belief 2, How to Shoot Beyond Belief "and I am looking for some books like  A.B.C. shooting guns for dummies !!!

Pleas I need your opinions on were to start and how to get there.
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I got my safety course and license for restricted and unrestricted weapons and I was looking for a shooting school or course around Calgary but no luck ..the closest I find was in Butte Montana 10 HRS away ..
Got my Red Head safe and 2 other small safes for ammunition.
Today I went to Shooting Range in Calgary and I was watching over the bullet proof glass this guys shooting this 12 gauges rifles and I think I can easy do that to.
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It's ok, my wife and her family have English as a second language. 

What is the shooting school you are considering?  Make sure they actually do 1,000+ yards shooting.  Even 200 yards to 500 yards is a big difference.  You could probably learn enough in a few hours to hit a vehicle consistently at that distance but not groups on a small target.
 
I would get to be friends with guys who do the type of shooting you want to do and allow them to guide you.  That way you enjoy it even more, you stay involved and the passion for shooting grows.
 
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The only friends I have are my boss gang of hunters and my colleagues ..real bullies when its about this hobby ..believe me ..its so hard for me to avoid conversations about guns and shooting at this time .
Now ..I went to far to accept that I am clueless...Behead
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When I will get all the tools I need for this task : the scope a pro range finder a image stabilizer binocular and spotter scope ..I am willing to take a small vacation for 7-10 days to a shooting range and practice.
I understand that it’s a long way to go ..and if you guys can recommend or advise me on anything that will help me get there like. books, or how to adjust the scope or how to find the ZERO on it the cross hair etc the bullet drop and how to read a ballistic chart ..I will real appreciate.Sharp Shooter
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 Question I'm kind of thinking how much experience do you have shooting any type of firearm because the recoil of a .338 Lapua is fairly significnat and something like a .308 would be a lot easier on you starting out -- lower cost for ammo less recoil.  Do you have experience hunting?  Must hunters dont use something that powerful and typical distance involved would be more like 200 to 300 yds at the most. The Heinsold scope is an awesome scope but if you have no experience with a rifle I am not so sure you will enjoy the .338 Lapua.  In either case I think you could get by with a lot less expensive scope and I think you will regret the choice of caliber for a first rifle not that it is not a good choice for an experienced shooter.
 
 
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You can get stuff like this for free, but you have to remember that you need the exact information for your rifle (with that lot of ammuntion exactly) and your environment (on that day and at that time).  You can get a Palm assistant or smart phone with the proper ballistics software and use a gadget for reading wind/atmosphere conditions. 
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Input Data
Manufacturer: Sierra Description: MatchKing™ (Litz)
Caliber: 0.338 in Weight: 300.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2760.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 2.00 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 4.148 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 355 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 301 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 167 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 3664.5 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.375 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (mil) (MOA) (mil) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (MOA) (mil)
0 *** *** *** *** 2764.1 2.476 5088.6 0.000 *** ***
50 -0.8 -0.2 0.2 0.1 2702.9 2.421 4865.8 0.055 18.4 5.4
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.4 0.1 2642.5 2.367 4650.6 0.111 18.7 5.4
150 -0.5 -0.2 0.6 0.2 2582.7 2.313 4442.7 0.168 18.9 5.5
200 -1.4 -0.4 0.8 0.2 2523.7 2.260 4242.1 0.227 19.1 5.6
250 -2.5 -0.7 1.1 0.3 2465.5 2.208 4048.5 0.287 19.3 5.6
300 -3.6 -1.1 1.3 0.4 2408.0 2.157 3861.9 0.349 19.5 5.7
350 -4.9 -1.4 1.5 0.4 2351.3 2.106 3682.2 0.412 19.8 5.8
400 -6.2 -1.8 1.8 0.5 2295.4 2.056 3509.1 0.476 20.0 5.8
450 -7.5 -2.2 2.0 0.6 2240.2 2.007 3342.5 0.543 20.3 5.9
500 -9.0 -2.6 2.3 0.7 2185.9
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If this will help me start I can buy a 308 anytime and start shooting with a friend of mine except this friend its not better den me.. he shoot couple white tails at 50 yards the most. He have a very nice custom made Remington 700 .300 ultra magnum that he bought from one of my boss buddies very light rifle with a customize finger grip I really feel comfortable holding it.
Pleas fill free to recommend one good brand and a good scope for me.
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By the way ..I look the other day at this new Remington 700 call 308 with this triunghiular barrel and small muzzle brake for like around $1000
The barrel look short ..will that affect accuracy or range ?
Felt good in my hand and looks cool.
What you think about it ?
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Urimaginaryfrnd's advice is great for you, especially because $5 a round (338 LM) is a lot to be learning with.
 
 
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Ya ..thay sale factory made 338 LM for $120 a case of 20
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