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Guys, I just got my Insurance check  for my Camry and saw a Ruger M77 300Win Mag with 3-9X40 scope in the local paper for $425.  Claims it s shoots tight groups.  I know nothing about Rugers much less the M77s. 
 
Please share you opinions and thoughts on this rifle.  A 300 win mag is the cal I want to get next.  Is this one worth persueing?
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 Sure.
Why not?
 
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( Not a big Ruger fan myself, but don't let that bother you. They really are pretty good rifles with some very nice features.)
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for $425 thats an ok price, its got the controlled push feed. im guessing at that price its a markII and not a new hawkeye. i would ask for proof targets before buying though. i had a markII in a .280 that shot pretty well. three position safety is nice too.
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   We're talking the original M77 w/tang safety,right? That's a fair price for a GOOD rifle. I've got one in the Compact Carbine configuration(.243 Win). Got a friend who has one in .25-06 that is VERY accurate. I found one like your talking about for a friend about 5-6 yrs ago. Like new for $375 w/o a scope.  I've seen them going for more than $425.
  The triggers are suppose to be adjustable from within the trigger guard but mine never made a diff when adjusted. They are not a true controlled round feed if that matters to you. They have an intregal receiver/ring base set-up and a number of aftermarket ring manufacturers have rings for them if you would decide to try something else. Can't really remember of any "quirks" associated with the rifles.  I do know that JB used one as a basis for a custom rifle and I believe his gunsmith friend Charlie Sisk likes to build on them.  One thing for sure,they are a tough rifle.  If you like the way shoots and it looks good inside and out,I'd say go for it.


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as far as i know the ruger triggers arent adjustable at all without an aftermarket trigger. they say its a controlled round feed on their web site.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/m77HawkeyeStandard/features.html



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  The old M77(tang safety) had an allen screw reachable through a hole in the top of the trigger guard that Ruger said was a trigger adjustment. Mine does nothing.
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Rugers offer good value for the dollar, I've only owned three, two shot well the other sucked.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  The old M77(tang safety) had an allen screw reachable through a hole in the top of the trigger guard that Ruger said was a trigger adjustment. Mine does nothing.
if it was made between 1968 and 1992 and is a top tang it would have a three screw adjustable trigger similar to a remington 700 type. if its a markII or a hawkeye its not adjustable.
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I have a 77 MK11 as my "go to" rifle. It is chambered in 350 Remington magnum and is an absolute joy to shoot! 1'' to 1 1/2" groups with no modifications at 100 yards. - FUN!
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You know my thoughts Bud, check out the condition first and as noted above test targets if available and go for it.
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The old M77 was a push feed, spring plunger ejection action with an adjustable trigger and tang safety.  The new M77 - MKII is controlled round feed with fixed blade ejector and 3-position safety.  Actually, there was a very short period when the MKII was first introduced that it did not have controlled round feed.
 
The M77 & M77 MKII are very rugged and reliable rifles with some nice features.  If you get a good one that shoots well, you'll be happy with it.
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Ted what do you mean by controlled round feed?

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I think you should get a compact ruger with a 20" barrel chambered in 300 rcm or 338 rcm. Put a nice straight tube scope on that thing and you'll have the best gun you own hahaha sorry couldn't resist
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With a controlled round feed action (i.e. Mauser, Pre-64 Win M70 and M70 Classic, and many others like those), the case rim slides up into the bolt face and underneath the extractor immediately when it clears the magazine feed rails.  This is due to the fact the bolt face has an open slot at the bottom allowing the case rim to slide upward along the bolt face.  At that point, the round is "controlled" by the bolt whether it is moved fore or aft, so you can eject the case without having to completely chamber the round.  CRF also helps prevent accidental misfeeds, double loads, and the resulting jams, an issue that is really overstated, but can happen.  With CRF, you also have a standing fixed ejector blade that doesn't eject the case until the very end of the bolt stroke, as opposed to a spring plunger ejector on a push feed action that ejects the case as soon as it clears the front receiver ring.  This means that you cannot pick up another round from the magazine until the case from the chamber has been ejected.  It also means that you can control how agressively the case is ejected or not ejected at all depending on whether or not you retract the bolt all the way or how hard you slam the bolt open.  CRF actions are usually (but not always) characterized by a long, Mauser style claw extractor. 
 
With a push feed action (i.e. Rem 700, Savage, Browning, Weatherby, and anything else with a plunger ejector and/or an enclosed bolt face, the extractor doesn't actually grab the case rim until the bolt is closed, causing it to snap over the rim.  This means if you start a case into the chamber but for some reason short stroke the bolt or retract the bolt before closing it on a live round, the round remains behind in the chamber.  You could then strip another round out of the magazine and the result is a jam.  In reality, push feed actions are very reliable as well, and these potential feeding issues usually don't happen to experienced shooters.  On the plus side, a push feed action can have an enclosed bolt face since the case doesn't snap under the extractor until the bolt is closed.  This makes the action safer in the event of case rupture, because with an enclosed bolt face, where the nose of the bolt fits into a counterbore in the barrel, there is no pathway for gas and shrapnel to travel rearward toward the shooter except through the firing pin hole.
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Rugers are pretty good.  I've had a few.  Most of them would shoot about 1.5" @ 100.  

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Originally posted by Skunk Skunk wrote:

I think you should get a compact ruger with a 20" barrel chambered in 300 rcm or 338 rcm. Put a nice straight tube scope on that thing and you'll have the best gun you own hahaha sorry couldn't resist
20" barrel come on now... 18" or less!!!!Smile
 
you know, a man purse gun! Wink
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Thanks Ted!  That was very clearand easy to follow without having to actually look at a bolt face!  Excellent
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

The old M77 was a push feed, spring plunger ejection action with an adjustable trigger and tang safety.  The new M77 - MKII is controlled round feed with fixed blade ejector and 3-position safety.  Actually, there was a very short period when the MKII was first introduced that it did not have controlled round feed.
 
The M77 & M77 MKII are very rugged and reliable rifles with some nice features.  If you get a good one that shoots well, you'll be happy with it.
 
Ted, what year are you considering old?  I have the M77 in a .06 that I bought in 1980 and I swear it has a slot opened at the bottom of the bolt the way you described and has a 2 position safety... Now I have to go dig it out and check it.  I'll post pics and make sure I understand what your saying.
 
To your original question, I have two M77 one old as posted above and another 3 years new in the synthetic/stainless both in the .06 and they both keep tight groups.  Looking to purchase another one next year for son #2. 
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  Should only be a slot at the top for the extractor to go when the bolt is locked down.  That's how mine is anyways.
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            Interesting... very interesting!
 
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  Should only be a slot at the top for the extractor to go when the bolt is locked down.  That's how mine is anyways.
 
Correct. 
 
The slot you're referring to, Scooter is the slot to allow the extractor to articulate around the bolt head.  What I'm referring to is a wide slot that's perfectly flush with the bolt head that is directly in the 12:00 position when the bolt is open, allowing the case rim to slide up behind the extractor.  The old M77 action (any M77 with the 2 position tang safety) does not engage the case rim until the bolt is closed.  Plus, any bolt that has a plunger ejector button in the bolt face cannot be controlled round feed, because the button would interfere with the case sliding up into the bolt face.  A plunger ejector has to be depressed by the case head directly in the horizontal axis when the bolt is closed, and cannot be depressed from the side.
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The tang-safety 77's had barrels made by a separate manufacturer. Most were pretty good, some were excellent, and some really sucked. The bad barrels gave the 77 a reputation for iffy accuracy. (Also, I never found the so-called trigger adjustments to work--though the trigger could be torn apart and fixed.)
 
By the time Ruger introduced the Mark II (which includes the Hawkeye) they were making their own barrels, which in my experience are quite good. In my bore-scope the recent ones even appear to be lapped lightly. At any rate, the really bad barrels are gone and Ruger 77's now shoot pretty darn well, and often extremely well, especially with a little tuning.
 
The latest trigger isn't adjustable but is a lot better out of the box than the old model. It is also extremely easy to take apart and fix. I can do it in a half-hour or less.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  The old M77(tang safety) had an allen screw reachable through a hole in the top of the trigger guard that Ruger said was a trigger adjustment. Mine does nothing.
if it was made between 1968 and 1992 and is a top tang it would have a three screw adjustable trigger similar to a remington 700 type. if its a markII or a hawkeye its not adjustable.
 
Hunter wana bet??????
 
 
 
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Scooter, that is a pre- MKII push feed M77 (no controlled round feed).  In the open bolt position, notice that the bolt face has a ridge around the bottom @ 6:00 position that doesn't allow a case rim to slide underneath the extractor from the magazine.  Notice also that the plunger ejector in the 4:00 position would also be in the way of a case rim sliding under the extractor.  The M77 - MKII has a slot cut in that position instead of the plunger button, so that when the bolt is fully retracted, a blade ejector slides into the slot and engages the case head.  The blade ejector is therefore not blocking the bolt face when the bolt is moving toward battery.
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