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Hello    

     I could really use some assistance in choosing the right scope for my 45-70.  After months of internet search’s and countless phones calls, I was lucky enough to finally get my hands on one of Marlin’s new 1895 SBL guide guns…  I located my SBL in Eagle River, Alaska.   I found one of the few gun dealers that can order from Marlin directly without having to go through a distributer.  In any event, I never dreamed that I would ever spend $900 on a big bore lever action, but I did.  The stainless steel/gray laminate stock/18 ½ inch barrel/large loop lever weapon in my opinion is absolutely beautiful.

     I stumbled upon SWFA’s site/this forum and have been lurking/trying to read as much as possible before making my decision as to right scope for my new weapon during the past week.  Just when  I finally thought I had learned enough to make a decision, I called Zeiss’  customer service line to ask a few questions and confirm my decision only to find out that the  scope that I had decided upon had been discontinued in 2008…. Imagine my surprise with the technician asked where I saw the conquest 1.8-5.5x38  MC  posted and I had to tell her that I found it on Zeiss’ official website.  Our discussion only confused me further when I explain that I was trying to find the best option for a scope that performs that best in Low light (Dawn/dusk) and had chose the conquest 1.8-5.5x38  MC based on its Exit Pupil Diameter of 21.1-6.9mm and its exceptional field of view because I usually hunt in/around heavy brush even while in a treestand .  She told me that Exit Pupil Diameter factor wasn’t important and that if I wanted a scope that would perform well in low light condition I should purchase the Conquest 3-9x40. Needless to say… our phone conversation left me with more questions in my mind then solid answers.

The scopes that I have narrowed it down to are:

Conquest  2.5-8x32mm

Conquest  3-9x40mm

Leupold VX-3  2.5-8x36mm

Leupold VX-3  1.75-6x32mm

Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42mm (30mm  tube)

     I am open to any/all suggestion including scopes that I have not listed… My requirements are that the Scope performs exceptionally well in low light conditions, can handle the recoil of the 45-70, Matte Black finish, and cost  less than $600.  After a 15 year hiatus from hunting due to the deployment schedule of my military career, I was blessed with a dream season and harvested 4 trophy whitetail bucks, 2 of which were shot within the last 5 minutes of legal shooting light and If that had been more than 25 yards from my stand, I would not have had enough light to close the deal. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

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 Welcome to O.T!
 Don't get too hung up on the complexities of exit pupil, etc.
 You need good glass quality. All the scopes on your list should perform quite well in that regard.
 
 I don't think you'll need more than about 6X on the high end magnification, though it really doesn't hurt to have a little more available.
 
 Choose a fairly stout reticle for your purposes.
 Sorry I can't be more specific, but you're on the right track.
 Also- check out Vortex for suitable models in your price range. They are gaining a loyal following- fast.
 Trijicon may be just out of your range, but at least check them out, too.
  
 
 
 
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Might I suggest the Zeiss Conquest "fixed" 4 power - the 4X32. I have one on my Ruger 1 in 45-70, great scope, fabulous low light performance, and the 4 power is good  well out to 200 yards.
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I second Bricat's opinion. If you are hunting in thick brush close in it would be better to choose the most compact unit you are comfortable with and a fixed 4 or even 6 power(depending on what your eye is comfortable with) keeps it simple and will provide for the range of this cartridge in an 18 inch barrel. I would also recommend the thickest darkest reticle to your own eye.  In My Opinion. Welcome to the Forum! Great knowledgeable people here and Good Luck.

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There are a few good options available depending on your budget.  Generally speaking, you do not need a lot of magnification and with the stock shape of the Marlin you want a scope that can be mounted as low as possible and have the most visible reticle possible.

Additionally, that rifle has a fair amount of kick, so you want something with good eye relief.

I would suggest the following options, in a roughly ascending price order:

Weaver V3 1-3x20
Vortex Viper 2-7x32 with C3 reticle
Nikon Monarch African 1-4x20
Hawke Endurance 30 1.25-4.5x24 
Bushnell Elite 6500 1.25-8x32 (not sure if the reticle is thick enough)
Trijicon Accupoint 1.25-4x24 or 1-4x24

If you choose to go with a fixed power scope, I think Leupold FX-2 2.5x20 would be the way to go.

Also, another scope that is coming out this year, but is not available yet is Weaver Ultimate Slam 1-5x24.  That would be almost perfect for you, but it is not available yet.

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That Fx-II comes with a Heavy Duplex reticle and is an Ultralight model, both characteristics which might match well with his rifle. 

How do the FX-II Ultralights hold up to recoil? 

Why doesn't Leupold make an FX-3 in 2, 2.5 or 3X? 

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I have an IOR fixed 4X on my 45/70 and like it, great low light, very compact, very sturdy.

A 45/70 id one of few guns where I cauyion against too much magnification.  The round drops quickly and more magnification gives you the impression of shorter range.

I would recommend a drop reticle or a heavy.  I have a #4 and like it, but a friend has a Conquet on his 45/70 and says he can compensate well for bullet drop at range.

Your gun will have recoil, don''t get a scope that isn't sturdy enough to handle it.
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I believe that rage on a 45/70 carbine is gonna be way way shorter too than a 30 inch or longer cowboy gun. I did not look it up to quote it it just seems the velocity will be way down in a "short stick" like that compared to where most shooters accept a MaximumPoint Blank Aim range of somewhere around 175-200yds.  That carbine is probably really nice in the thick though. My first deer rifle was a 30/30 lever and I miss that gun alot. I bet that 45/70 with a solid bullet will probably shoot through a pine tree at 25yds and still take a buck.  Wish I had a 45/70 cowboy.
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I've seen a 45/70 round (325-gr hollow-point) leave a golf-ball size wound channel and a debis field of deer insides that you'd have to see to believe.  Best visual would be forcing an ash tray through a living thing at supersonic speeds.

A 45/70 is very, very destructive.


If you put a good hit on something with a 45/70 and it lives, don't chase it, you can't kill it!


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Wow Rancid Coolaid, that sounds pretty neat. You could wait for him to turn and pop his stinker and not even have to get a knife out.  Or tote the waste bucket off at 10pm in a 30mph wind at -10F below. Ole Cowboy did it for you!!
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Originally posted by bricat bricat wrote:

Might I suggest the Zeiss Conquest "fixed" 4 power - the 4X32. I have one on my Ruger 1 in 45-70, great scope, fabulous low light performance, and the 4 power is good  well out to 200 yards.

I have the Conquest 4x on my .458 Lott Ruger #1.  I like it, but the reticle subtension is a little odd.  It will take some getting used to.  I have not had it on the rifle very long and have only fired a few rounds with it.  It is dead on to 210 yards, but I will have to do some shooting practice to get beyond that distance with it.  I would not feel comfortable shooting beyond 250yds with it right now.  
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I want to thanks everyone who has already responded to my post!!! There really is a wealth of knowledge here at SWFA.

I wanted to clarify my specific needs and define the conditions in which I hunt.  I failed to mention that the SBL comes equipped with the XS Systems Lever Rail optics platform which also opens the door to forward-mounted optics if that is a better option. Either way I could also use some advice on the best Picatinny-style/weaver low profile mounts to use… that will hold up to the recoil.

I want to get the RIGHT scope the first time, so if the $600 that I have set aside isn’t quite enough and for another hundred dollars or two… I could get the perfect set-up I will hold off for another month before making my purchase…

My main concerns’ are:

1.     Able to withstand the recoil/punishment of the 45-70.

2.     Exceptional low light performance.

3.     Extreme accuracy – I tend to thread the needle/bullet placement is essential to me.

4.     Lifetime warranty

My average shot from my stand is 70 yards or closer… while perch 35 feet in the air in my treestand that I climb into long before sunrise to let everything settle around me and where usually remain until the last possible seconds of legal shooting light… I hunt the 1500 acres of private land that’s heavily wooded mountain terrain surrounded by pastures… green fields and corn fields.  Occasionally, I do come out for a quick lunch and do have an opportunity of take a shot in open cow pastures and bushy hillsides.  I stalk/still hunt only when scouting… but more often than not I’m sitting in a my treestand.  Like I said above, if either of the 150 class bucks that I harvested this year had come through even a minute later inside 30 yards… I would NOT have been able to get the shots off… One of the bucks was taken 5 minutes after legal shooting light (25 minutes before sunrise) and the other at dusk with 3 minutes of legal light/time remaining…

I cut and pasted the info about the 195 SBL from the link below:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/longgun_reviews/ST_model1895SBL_200903/index.html

 

 

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