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I recently move into handgun bullseye shooting and I love it.
I have 2 handguns at present. A baby eagle, and most recently a Kimber Gold Match.
Recently I got a Marvel .22 conversion kit for the Kimber and wow this baby is accurate..
So, encouraged by the small groups I'm getting at 8-10 yds, I'm thinking I might like to try 25 yds.
So my question is, for bullseye only, what are the parameters I would need in a scope.
And, of course, where I should be looking for a reasonable price on the item I decide on.
If this helps, I am totally ignorant re handgun scopes but I do understand optics.

Thanks in advance,
Chuck

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what type?? is it sanctioned nra bullseye, just off the bench to see how could the gun is, are you standing, one handed, two handed ??? each has different needs.
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Thanks Dale,
I'm not to the stage where your question is relevant...yet.
At the moment, I'm still trying to fill in the blanks of __x__
What optics should I think of using for ~25 yd to give a good sight picture.
What numbers would be a good entry unit and if I continue
to like it, I could step up to a better unit.

I'm still in the exploration phase.
Chuck
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most important question hasn't been answered-- are you using a rest or shooting "free hand"?????
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I wouldn't go with optics at all.  That puts you in the open class and it's no place for beginners. 
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Thanks guys,
I shooting 2 handed.
Standing.
If I want to get the feel for 25 yds, without regard for any formal events,
what optics would be appropriate? __x__, fill in the blanks.

I think it would be more fun with optics, but what do I know at this stage...
So really, what numbers are most useful for what I want to do?
The Marvel has a Picatanny rib available which would make mounting easy.
So what do you say??

Chuck
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An addendum to my previous post...
The parameters that I'm interested in are the basics.

Length (in):

Eye Relief (in):
Field of View @ 100yds (ft):
MOA:

Since it want a scope for limited use, as I have said, what are the best numbers for the above? And also which unit might be good now since I'm still finding my way in the sport.
Thanks,
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ok thats what I need. first realize that there are no really good handgun scopes in the sense as a rifle scope, really good top end stuff, uso, etc.
next is you will be able to see much more hand movement than you thought you had with the scope. the scope rail is best  attached to a non-reciprocating part of the gun to use a scope otherwise a dot is best. in the case of your kimber it will need to be tapped and a frame mount added. also consider  a dot sight, like the burris, fast fire, or c-more or aimpoint if you got more dollars.
nikon, leo,weaver, make good low power extended eye relief scopes. a 4x for long range handgun, 4x leo on a 22 hornet somewhat good standing better off solid rest.
I prefer the leos. a 2x leo on a sw 41 good for off hand but still very accurate off sand bags.
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Thanks Dale,
I'll be using my Kimber with the Marvel .22 conversion kit.
It's really a nice unit.
I'm getting a picatinny rib for it so I can attach anything I want.
The rib is on a nonreciprocating part like, I think, the SW 41 has.
So given that, what power of scope can I use best for ~25 yd for now.
Should I get a variable power?
What is eye relief?
I don't have any interest in using solid rest.
Do you recommend a particular unit or two that is modest cost.
I can always go up in quality later if I wish.
I'm not clear with the numbers of power, FOV, eye relief, variable power or not, etc.
So if you can give me those parameters, I can go looking from there.
I have looked around enough to recognize the quality brands.
Looking closer to the SW 41, I can see how similar it is to the Marvel.
I like the grip on it too. I wonder is there is anything similar for the Kimber?
Chuck


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no variables
lowest power around 2x
consider a red dot with something like 2 moa dot subtension
fov, eye relief figures are immaterial -- as it depends more on arm length and mounting position on the gun.
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Herrett used to make target grips for this type of shooting and 1911s, not sure if they are still around however.
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Smile Hi again Dale,
Herrett is alive and well
   http://www.herrett-stocks.com/album.htm#row3
Looks like some of the 1911 grips are made for single hand shooting.
It's difficult to determine which would be suitable of 2 handed shooting.
Is single hand shooting called 'offhand'?
 
The distance from the bridge of my nose to the rear sight is ~15".
Does that distance have any bearing?

This is the Marvel scope/adj iron sight rib add-on  for the Marvel
  http://www.marvelprecision.com/picatinny.php
This is the rig I now have
    http://ezine.m1911.org/Marvel_frame.htm

So, my friend, given all the above, what particular scope/scopes would be examples of what I should check out?
Also what mounting issues would come up if I get the Picatinny rail.
The current rib (w/iron adj sights) has 2 recessed screws that hold it down?  Thanks
Chuck
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the type of grips on the sw41 are for nra bulleyes, one handed shooting. this method uses no gripping with the thumb thus the rest and the small finger does not grip at all, this allows what is called a wobble area which causes less group dispersion
almost any type will work with two handed weaver type grips.
long eye relief scopes have an incredible amount of leeway -- and you will have no problem.
 
the advantage to a good dot is that they are lighter which translate into less fatigue which translates into better scores-
no mounting probs with the picatinny they are the most forgiving.
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