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Ok so many years ago i reloaded 12 ga and 16 ga
 
Have never done rifle or pistol. I am about to buy the hornady lock n load ap. I will be adding the bulllet feeder and the case feeder to it.
 
Since I am new to this can you guys point me in the right direction on what other equipment I will need?
 
First plans are to reload 45 acp 9mm and .223 Then later work up loads I like for .243 and .270 as well.
 
I know I will need other items but I am jus tnot sure what all I will need.
 
I see hornady make a sonic cleaner as well? or should I get a tumbler?
 
I see folks talk about having to shave the cases back down to proper length?
 
 
If someone is willing to lend a hand to another person woh wants to get into the hobby it would be much appreciated! Plus I am doing research as well but figured since I am already a member here I might as well see what you fine folks have to say.
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Before you start I would recommend buying a few reloading books and reading up on them.  If possible get with an experienced reloader and spend several reloading sessions with them so they can give you instruction on how things are suppose to work.

I also started out with the Hornady LNL AP.  I spent about 10 hours with a friend on a single stage press and then several hours with another friend on a Dillon progressive before I started myself.  It helped a lot because at that point I understood the process.

Typically low pressure pistol rounds don't lengthen much so trimming them is not really necessary.  Still a good idea to check occasionally though.  But if they do get to long, the slide won't close on a round because they headspace on the rim of the round.  So it becomes pretty obvious.  I have reloaded 10s of thousands of 9mm, .40, and .45 and never trimmed one.

Most pistol dies come in 3 die sets.  The seating die will also roll crimp, but you do not want to roll crimp auto pistol rounds because they do headspace off the rim.  If you roll crimp them then it is possible that the rim of the round will actually go into the chamber a little bit, which would be bad.  You will want to buy a 4th die called a taper crimp die.  It crimps the sides of the case at a taper which is how auto pistol rounds are suppose to be crimped.  It will help with the reliability of your reloads dramatically. 

One of the biggest things you have to deal with when using a progressive is every single time you pull that lever something happens to each case on the machine.  If you start into the lever pull and for some reason stop in the middle, it will mess up all those processes and you need to take all the brass off the machine and move them back to go through that same step again.  Otherwise, you will not get one case resized, the next one primped, the next one flared, the next one powder put in it, the next one a bullet seated, and the next one taper crimped.  When it works, it works great, but you have to be paying attention all the time to what is going on.

As far as case cleaners, sonics will clean better, but are more expensive.  Tumblers work pretty well, but they leave cases dusty and do not always polish to a super shine. 
 

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A few essential tools:

  • dial or digital caliper
  • case trimmer (L.E. Wilson is great)
  • headspace gauge (Hornady Lock'n'Load headspace kit works well)
  • primer pocket uniformer (Sinclair makes a good one)
  • case mouth chamfer tool
I got started by reloading with two experienced guys and got a walk-through from my father-in-law as well. Then I checked out a couple books from the library and researched powders and loads online. Most (if not all) the powder manufacturers will have load data on their sites. Nosler, Hornady and other bullet makers have some pretty good load info. Just bear in mind that 1) Every rifle is different so start with 5-10% under to avoid pressure signs (read up on that) and 2) What shoots well in one rifle may not in another.

If you can, find a powder that will work for more than one cartridge, e.g. there may be something that works well for your .223 and your .243. Keeping things simple is a big help in reloading.
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Thanks for the info guys I have just about went through all of the posts on here ofr reloading........that took a while my eyeballs hurt!
 
I will continue to research and study but hay you have to get started sooner or later. I live in the DFW area and dont really have any other frineds here that shoot since I am not orginaly from this area.....all of my shooting buddies and some that reload live way down in south Texas. So I will have to go this one alone it looks like.
 
Best I can do is research , read and ask you fine folks for info.
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A friend of mine started on a Hornady LNL, I started on a Dillon 550... Its do-able if you have some common sense and take your time.

That said, I would have purchased a single stage rig with my very first centerfire firearm purchase. I shot store bought ammo for years before coming to my senses.If you are going to reload for your bolt guns anyway, getting started with a single stage press would save you a little money to start and get you familiar with the process before jumping into a progressive. Something for you to think about.

The first brass prep for .223 is a pain. Read about sorting your brass for crimped primers and other goofy stuff.
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This : "Before you start I would recommend buying a few reloading books and reading up on them. If possible get with an experienced reloader and spend several reloading sessions with them so they can give you instruction on how things are suppose to work."
 
As for case cleaning; I have learned, cleaning the inside of the case is more important than the outside. I've used a vibrator for a good whle, and by and large it does a good job on the outside, it leaves much to be desired as to the inside. I'm hoping to up-grade to a rock tumbler to be used w/ stainless steel pellets, combined w/ a little Dawn dish soap and water,,,this tecnique reults in remarkebly clean cases inside and out. I am understating the results.
I've also tried chemical cheaning cleaning. It does a better job on the inside than 'vibing', but in some ways it is a bit of a hassle.
Lately, I've been considering 'sonic' cleaning, but am not familiar enough w/ it to comment. I would say it is worth looking into.
 
So your new in the area? Perfect reason to check out the shops and clubs in the area. The old timer tells me one should never be too old to make new friendsHowdy 

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Nope not new to the area been here ten years now. Just dont go and hang out with anyone most of my shooting is done with the wife , kids and I.
 
 
If I knew someone around here that did it that would be great but I dont. Especially if they have the lock n load ap and I could gets some training in with them on that unit.
 
I see several of you state you started with that one but sounds as if you moved away from it? I am guessing you moved on to something better?
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The LNL AP is a fantastic press.  I have been using mine for 8 years and have loaded 10s of thousands of rounds on it.  I have no desire for anything better.

When I said I started on it, I meant I got it before I got a single stage press.  I added a single stage later on as it is easier for load development. 
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Gotcha I see what your saying....just wanted to make sure becasue I had read good things about it on here and other places as well...some bad but that with anything now days.
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