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Anyone  use  or have  an  opinion on  the Pentex  Pioneer  line of scopes?
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I was told that is was made by Burris and like the Fullfield II is specifications.

I believe Burris does the assembly, I didn't know where the glass came from.


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I thought Pentax made the glass for Burris and Burris provided the rest.

I could be wrong.

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Thanks for the  info so far. 
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Stand by for intel dump when koshkin and some of the Burris faithful come back online.

Their probably out shooting this weekend, while I'm work for the Warden to pay for my new scope...hehehe.  

 

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I wonder if they could recycle my old Hasselblad and Nikon camera lenses and make me a scope.
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cheaptrick, regarding Pentax glass in the Burris scopes, I know someone in the industry that has a meeting next week with some of the higher up's in Pentax who states he will get this question answered. FWIW, John Barsness, optics writer who I respect for his candor, stated that he had heard that Pentax is now using Burris glass and coatings. He made the statement on an open forum. Not as good as OT naturally. Of course if it is true, it's not like your getting substandard optics. I think we agree that Burris glass is right up there. Leupold glass would be a whole different story, though.

 

P.S. cheaptrick regardless of the answer, it will have no effect on my opinion of your writings. Unless, of course you start berating Elite 4200's.



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I suspect that Roy is correct. 

 

Roy, once your friend has his meeting keep us posted on whatever can divulged.

 

I am not sure that Pentax makes the glass for Burris, although Pentax could certainly make top notch glass.  I know that Burris lenses are made in Japan (not sure by who), but their coatings may well be applied here in US just as well as in Japan.  Some of the best thin film coating shops are actually in Colorado.  I used to get coatings out of an outfit around there with a reflectance of 0.01%.  That was on a narrower and different bandwidth than a typical riflescope needs though, but I think they had some broader band coatings as well.  That was also a few years ago so I am sure they've developed some new tricks by now.  For example, an optical instrument with coatings of that coality and 11 lenses (fairly typical for riflescopes) would have a total light transmision of ~99.78%.  Heck even coatings an order of magnitude worse would produce a total transmission of ~97.8%

 

As for cheaptrick, I think he is a grand fellow except for that odd neurological desease he has, commonly known as Nikonitis.  Sometimes, it gets his fingers to type the stuff that deep in his heart he himself disagrees with.

 

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Roy/koshkin aka Dark Lord of Optics:

 

Gentlemen, I very well may be wrong concerning the relationship between Burris and Pentax. I have read several places that they "swapped spit" and Pentax was providing Burris with glass.

 

Roy, your contact in the industry is probably much more informed than I.

And yes, the Pentax spotters that I have looked through at various ranges are simply fantastic and IF they are providing Burris with all their quality glass, than that is to Burris's credit. OR vise versa, I guess.

Please let us know the outcome.....Thanks!

 

       



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Me, a Dark Lord of optics? Is this a good thing? It does't sound so.
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He may have been referring to me.

 

I was nominated as a dark lord of optics a few threads ago for my uncanny ability to resist Nikonitis.

 

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I hope this was the case,  to both of you I like and VERY much respect your knowledge.

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Thank You, Roy.

 

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If you start berating 4200's that will change things of course.
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I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40MD on my 22-250 and I am very happy with it.

 

Aside from that, I am a stock crawler, so most Elite 4200 scopes have a bit too short of an eye relief for me on rifles with any sort of kick.  For any other application (i.e. rifles that do not kick) Elite 4200 is at or near the top of my list.

 

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So nobody has an opinion on  the Pentax  scopes . Seems the  post took a different direction .
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Pentax Pioneer, to the best of my knowledge, is identical to Burris Fullfield II.  That makes is a good scope and one of the best for the money.

 

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I think folks were just trying to open your mind to other quality scopes that are out there.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I was nominated as a dark lord of optics a few threads ago for my uncanny ability to resist Nikonitis.

ILya

 

Yes Roy, I was referring to koshkin.

 

Nikonitis and Nikonophile....

    

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I have the Pentax Whitetails Unlimited and I am very happy with the scope.  I had the opportunity to look through a Pentax Lightseeker as I was beyond impressed very nice scope.
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Ok  I'm going to buy it and setup on a TC .223 ss heavy . Will cost me 245.00 shipped. In my other research it said that it had the same features as the Whitetail with out the donation to Whitetail Unlimited. 
Thanks for the info guys . Straining on the bit to mount it.
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I believe that I'm speaking for most everyone when I say that we would welcome your review of the Pentax scope.

Not many of them in my neck of the world.

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At the funshow today I found a guy who had a tablefull of scopes and he didn't consider them to be gold plated!

What caught my eye was a Weaver V3, one of my favorites and I snapped that one up. When I looked at his prices I decided to get a 3-9x. He had a Burris Fullfield, a Burris Short Mag, and a Pentax Pioneer all proced the same. the Pentax does LOOK similar to the Burris scopes, but I liked the optics on the Pentax MUCH better, it was brighter and the FOV was "bigger".

One of the Burris scopes had the ballistic plex reticle, and I really wanted that feature. But the Pentax looked better to my eye. Now I find out that Pentax offers the B-Plex reticle too (this one has a duplex)

So I own two new scopes, the Weaver V3 and a Pentax Pioneer 3-9x. Gonna mount the Pentax  on a Rem 700 LVSF in .223.
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Originally posted by Warhawk Warhawk wrote:

At the funshow today I found a guy who had a tablefull of scopes and he didn't consider them to be gold plated!

What caught my eye was a Weaver V3, one of my favorites and I snapped that one up. When I looked at his prices I decided to get a 3-9x. He had a Burris Fullfield, a Burris Short Mag, and a Pentax Pioneer all proced the same. the Pentax does LOOK similar to the Burris scopes, but I liked the optics on the Pentax MUCH better, it was brighter and the FOV was "bigger".

One of the Burris scopes had the ballistic plex reticle, and I really wanted that feature. But the Pentax looked better to my eye. Now I find out that Pentax offers the B-Plex reticle too (this one has a duplex)

So I own two new scopes, the Weaver V3 and a Pentax Pioneer 3-9x. Gonna mount the Pentax  on a Rem 700 LVSF in .223.

 

Thanks, Warhawk!!

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