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Hey guys,
I would really appreciate a little input if any of you have any experience with one of the AMT Backup 380's in dao. I have been looking for a Walther PPK in 380 , but just found a pretty good deal on the AMT.
I was just wondering if any of you had owned, or fired one of these nifty little pistols. I am especially curious on the reliability of it- such as if it jams often. I am interested in it because of it's concealability, and it really is not a bad looking pistol.
Thanks,
Derek


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I'm sure it's very good choice. I'm old school and like that it has a safety you can see unlike my p230.
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A hunting friend of mine has the .45 AMT Backup that looks similar to the .380. He converted it to .40 Cor-Bon and it always ate everything it was fed in both calibers. It is a well made gun with very few edges. Considering it's small size it is comfortable to shoot.
I thought AMT's were always a cut above many of the other small companies making auto pistols. Like you said, they don't look too bad either.

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A buddy of mine, who is also a county police officer just bought a Walther ppks as his backup weapon.
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If you like revolvers, take a look at the Ruger LCR. Light, 38spl and good trigger.
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I haven't had any experience with teh AMT but like a couple other guys said I am a firm believer that a small 5-shot revolver or similar is a better backup because of the durablilty and ease of use.  I have had keltecs, tomcats, ppks, and well a lot of pocket autos and ALL have at some point failed to eject or run through after time being carried in a pocket holster because of the dirt and grit build up in my pockets. Now I know i could have cleaned more often on these but I have sucessfully carried my airweight for over two years now and when i have pulled it out and shot at the range like i would in a real life situation, it has never failed.  just my 2cents.  Good luck and let up know what you decide.
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you didn't mention the carry. will it be ankle,coatpocket,pants,middle of back,shoulder ??????
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

you didn't mention the carry. will it be ankle,coatpocket,pants,middle of back,shoulder ??????
Pants pockets, middle of back. I have several full size autos of various calibers- which is fine during winter months. I just want a pocket pistol for the warmer times( shorts, cargo pockets, etc...)


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You have to be a little careful with AMT.  Depending on when the gun was made and who owned the company at the time, quality can be a bit spotty.

That having been said, their DAO guns were all right most of the time.

As far as small guns go, have looked at Kahr pistol?

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Yes, I looked at the Kahr's, very nice but still a little large. I very much want a PPK, but haven't ruled out a Ruger LCP. I had found a good deal on an AMT, but as of tonight, it is gone.
Between this forum and another I am a member of, the majority says stay away from AMT's Back-up. There were only a few exceptions here.
 As always, Thanks everyone. I respect your opinions very much. I'll let you know what I do when the time comes to lay out the cash.
 By the way, I purchased my Wife a Walther PK380, love it, and haven't ruled out the possibility of getting one for myself.
Derek
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I don't know a lot about back up guns, but this little gun has shot well for me.  I've put about 150 rounds through it and only had 1 jam very early on.  


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The Kahr PM40s have had problems.  It's a great design, size and weight, but reliability is an issue.
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MK9s seem to be quite reliable.

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PA-63 9x18 makrov vs ppk/pps .380

TAKE THE PPS / PPK DOWN SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE PA-63 AND SEE IF YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONE IS MADE BETTER...
 
...firing pin block safety...and a few other key differences...
 
 
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I really like my little Kahr P380, which is the same size as an LCP/Kel-Tec.  But if you can deal with a slightly thicker gun, get a S&W J-frame....like a 442.  They will go bang every time.  
 
**I've never had a FTF/FTE with the Kahr, but the Smith is as sure of a bet as they make.**
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Before you decide give the Glock 26 a look.

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I have the AMT Backup .380 and carried it for years. I purchased it on the advice of the then Chief of Police, Spokane Washington who carried it, along with many of his officers, as the backup and off-duty weapon.
While it certainly doesn't exhibit the high degree of fit and finish as other makes, it also comes at a very reasonable price. Mine has never failed to feed or function, and I fired it a lot. Because of its compact size, it is not particularly a joy to shoot repetitively, as it tends to work over that area between thumb and forefinger, but plinking and range shooting are not its intended use.
For a reasonably priced and reliable carry arm I find it totally acceptable.
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Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - January/10/2010 at 16:59
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Just wanted to update... after giving Koshkin's post a little more thought, I went to Kahr Arms' website and looked around, finding several models I liked( 1st Kahr I ever saw was almost a full-sized pistol).
 Anyway, today I made a private-party purchase of a well kept hardly used Kahr MK9 in 9mm. This one is all stainless and came with a hard case, locks, a 6 rd mag, 7 rd mag, and a pair of 8 rounders. Price was  pretty good. Will try to shoot it tomorrow and let you know how it goes. If I don't like, I will probably sell or trade this one for a Walther PPK in 380.
Thanks to all who posted and offered advise.
Derek   


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The PPKS is a great choice for those wanting to carrying a small reliable gun.  I have owned a stainless PPKS for 23 years and have carried it as a backup gun at work and an offduty gun.  The gun is reliable.  I have never had any jamming problems ever!!!!!  The AMT is a piece of CRAP!!!  All the cops used to carry the AMT .380 back 20 years ago.  They were jam every few rounds.  Now days there are soooooooooo many better choices of gun to chose from that are affordable.  The bigger question in my mind is that is you truly want to carry a back up gun is a .380 really the caliber you want to rely on to possibly save your life or your familes life.   In my mind a 9mm is the smallest caliber I would personally ever carry. 

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Ive been playing with a Springfeild XD sub-compact 9mm, it hasnt replaced the ole trusty .38 snubbie yet but it might. I really really like the pistol!! I did not think I would.
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I played around with it today. Shot about 50 rds , a mixture of 147gr Black Talons, 115gr Win JHP, 124gr Fed Hydra-Shocks, 124gr Fed Hydra-Shock +P's and some 'ole Win 115gr Ball.
All fed reliably, and grouped around 4" at 15 yds. Not too bad fora 3" barreled pistol with the operator shaking in 30 degree weather with a high North wind.
This Kahr fits in my back pocket of my jeans with the 6 and 7 rd mags, which is what I wanted it to do. Printing was not too bad, but I generally don't worry about that anyway.
 Guess I'll hold on to it for a while, but still on the lookout for an InterArms Walther stainless PPK. Just can't seem to get it out of my head.Big Smile
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