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i was looking at these 2 scopes i need opinions on the two. theres a 200 dollar difference and i was wondering if the mark 4 is that much better ?
 
leupold 4.5 - 14 x 40 mark4 lr/t   (30mm)
 
leupold 4.5 - 14 x 40 vx III   (1')
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I have the 1' vx3 and I know that I would not pay the extra $200.
I believe the glass is the same.
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A Mark IV is intended for a different application than a VXIII.   What will you be using the scope for? 
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it will be for target shooting between 200 to 500 yrds. its going  on an ar15.
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The Leupold VXIII or the newer model with improved glass VX3 is designed to be a hunting scope and as such does not have target knobs. Some models have balistic reticles which can be used for estimated hold over at the maximum  power of the scope (only).  The Mk 4  in the 4.5-14x40 has target knobs that are rather on the tall side and covered by caps. If you like the target knobs covered by caps they do provide some protection keeping it from bieng bumped out of adjustment.  The target knobs would definately be worth the additional cost to me but there are other scopes you should also consider.

5214559943 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope                                                                                    Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope
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  • Mil-Dot
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
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414508 IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                                   IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • MP-8
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Free IOR Sun Shade w/ Purchase
SWFA: $1,074.95
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424164SF Bushnell 4-16x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                                 Bushnell 4-16x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Multi-X
  • 1"
  • Rainguard
  • Side Focus
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The bushnell should work for what you are doing the down side is it has 1/8 moa clicks and no where near the amount of internal adjustment that the true tactical scopes have.  The .223 is not a good choice for long range past 500 yds so the amount of internal adjustment you need may not be as  much as you would need on a .308 that you were trying to get to 1000yds.  The IOR and the Zeiss both have much better glass and if I was in the price range of the Mk4 I would spend the difference to buy one of them.
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If you could live with a fixed power the Super Sniper 10x or the IOR 6x would both be good choices and less money.
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Just my 5 cents worht, I have the 4.5-14x40 Mk4 PR and the 3.5-10x40LRT-M1 and I chose them for the following. I shoot jacketed and cast (.308's & 223's) out to 500M, though usually only out to 300. I change distance and load frequently so I'm dialing the target knobs a lot and wanted repeatability. I mostly shoot from field positions (sit kneel stand) so high magnifiction wasn't required. I've shot cast with the 308 out to 500M and with other scopes ran out of elevation. These scopes have between 65 & 95 min of elevation and I find I really need it. Also I really like the mildot reticle. Being able to use the dots for holdover, as long as you know what that is, is really nice to have. For the 223 out to and beyond 500m it's a nice feature. I've read a lot of poeple get frustrated because with any holdover hash marks some feel the marks don't coincide with their particular load. So what, go the range and see what your holdover is. If you find the second dot is 350, not 300 then you know what it is, use it for 350. I have a lot of fun shooting for just that reason. I'm from Canada and don't have access to all the stores and scopes you have, all I can say is I'm REALLY pleased with Leupold. For hunting, all my scopes top out at 6x max. With 6x I can usually keep 5 rounds from a 308 inside 1.5" @ 200 from the bench and 4" from the sit. (sometimes though I'm lousy, no, REALLY rotten) Knobs, elevation, repeatability, reticle,durability, what I wanted and I feel what I got. If you've got time I can give you a lot of stories about guys paying a little and getting even less. Sorry for rambling on, lots to say.
 
 
 
 
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You can get target knobs on the VX-3 at the Leupold custom shop for another $30-$60 a knob, and you can get the varmint hunter's reticule for no extra charge.
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The  1 inch tube scopes will have less internal adjustment (less moa).  The Leu Mk 4 4.5-14x40 has 100 moa of internal adjustment and for a gun like a .308 that can really take advantage of that it is a fine choice. With the .223 though I'm thinking most of your shots are likely at 200 and 300 and an occasional few at 500 to 600 and for that the 1 inch tube scopes should have enough adjustment. The Bushnell 4200 is better glass cost a lot less and the short target type knobs will allow you to dial in correction. A lot depends on how you use the rifle. If it was a coyote or varmit gun I'd say put a Trijicon accupoint on it. For target work any of these will do and If I was just shooting targets Id save some money and put a Super Sniper on it - these are true combat proven tactical scopes with about 120moa of internal adjustment and great target knobs. Add kenton dials and you are set.

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Originally posted by auto_1187 auto_1187 wrote:

You can get target knobs on the VX-3 at the Leupold custom shop for another $30-$60 a knob, and you can get the varmint hunter's reticule for no extra charge.
 
 
Last several times I checked there the varmit hunter reticle and  the B&c reticle bumped the price quite a bit. If one went with the improved glass in the VX 3 that might be a reason to do that but there is a difference in the strength of the tube on Mk4 models because if you look at how much internal adjustment the Mk4 has compared to same power VX3  t he Mk4 has less adjustment which suggests the tube is thicker  walls - built for combat.
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Ex VX3 4.5-14x40LR  matte varmit hunter reticle  target elevation target windage $859.95 or with M1 tactical knobs $879.97 drop back to the duplex and knock of $100.  Leupold prices are set in stone no matter who the dealer is most of the time. There are some occasions where you can find a deal on samplelist like the ones that are new that they took photos of.  http://www.samplelist.com/default.aspx?prod_type=1&hide_sold=False
LEU66420 Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 30mm Riflescope                                                                                  Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
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LEU66410 Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 30mm Riflescope                                                                                  Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
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LEU66430 Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 Riflescope                                                                                       Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
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I would spent the extra cash and get the Zeiss and be happy forever and ever...
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auto-1187, I should live down there, the price for the target knobs here is at least 2x that and the reticle change, or purchase new, adds about another $100, add shipping on that. Good idea though, I did get target knobs installed on a scope about 10 years ago and like them.
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