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I bought a Savage model 10 FCP-Sr 24" in 6.5 Creedmoor. I need advice on a good set of rings to pair with the factory base.

Obviously this is kind of a budget setup, but I don't want totally cheap out and spoil the recipe over a 50 dollar difference between rings. I think the base is aluminum, correct? I'm still waiting to take receipt of the rifle.

Also hoping for advice on how to work with the factory base. Am I smart to take it off, apply thread locker and re torque with FAT wrench, or is it good to go from factory?   

Any other tips or tricks for doing the job right?
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If you have loc tite and a torque wrench, I'd make sure the factory base is secure.  I assume it is a 1-piece base, those are the least problematic in my experience.

On rings, why not get a set of SWFA rings?  There are lots of good options, most will be fine.  You can spend more, but you don't have to.

No Weaver rings or any other stamped aluminum crap, if you pay $10 for your rings, expect problems.

I've had great luck with Seekins, Badger, Aadmount, etc; but most don't need $100+ rings, especially if it is a range gun that will be handled rather gingerly.
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Thanks for the advice   I'll probably knock it around quite a bit. Bought​ it to learn long range shooting, but the remote wilderness locations, where I can shoot really far, are only accessible on foot or by dirt bike/atv. So it probably won't be a range queen.

The gun store told me Weaver. I was sceptical.

Others have recommended Burris signature rings with an insert system for elevation adjustment, but I'm not sure if that is gimmicky.

In my own research it seems like people have good luck with TPS as a middle ground between Badger and Burris Xtp(are Burris xtp any good?).

Every dollar I can save on ancillary​ equipment means another dollar toward reloading equipment and components.
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I would also consider Warne Maxima permanent attach rings.  They are excellent quality rings and are $50.  They are a little more complicated so setup where they are vertical split rings, but once on they are great. 

TPS are excellent rings, but often times hard to find in stock.

The Burris XTR rings are decent.

SWFA SS TAC-rings are a good budget ring as well. 
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TPS are good rings.

I'm not a fan of the Warne rings, but I know some really like them.

For a gun that will be knocked around and handled roughly, definitely loc tite. And if you are a reloader - or are to become one - spend the money on Lapua brass!
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Does anyone know if there is a different manufacturing process used to produce TPS or Badger rings,vs Swfa or Burris with the 3 holes?

Is it just the acceptable tolerance range?

The SWFA actually look beefier than the TPS, and I'm sure they're great product for the money, but I wonder if the TPS will hold better on a hard use rifle simply because of more surface contact with the scope tube due to higher concentricity and less runnout?

Being fairly new to bolt guns, it's hard to wrap my head around the nuances of the scope ring market.   There are so many options it's somewhat overwhelming, and I haven't been able to find a resource article or thread that address the issue in a definitive, holistic manner. Scope rings 101, if you will.

Does anybody have a link to an article or thread that is addresses the issue well?
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I hope I'm able to source the new Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Something tells me it'll be hard to come by though.
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I am pretty sure the Burris and SWFA are cast rings, where TPS and Badger are machines steel or aluminum. 

TPS and badger are better rings, there is no doubt.  The price alone reflects that.  Seekins IMO are even better than those.  But now you are in the $100+ range. 

Honestly mounts are as important as the scope and gun IMO.  If you skimp on the mounts you may always have issues.  But that doesn't mean you have to spend a ton to get good quality.  Talley, Warne,  SWFA SS, Burris XTR and Burris Signature are all excellent rings that don't cost a ton. 

If you wan the best; Aadaland, Seekins, Badger, Nightforce, American Defense, American Rifle are a few names.

I run Warne on several of my guns and a couple are hard kickers and have had zero issues with them.  They really are great rings from a quality and durability stand point.  And they have a great price.  When I don't want to spend $100, I buy Warne or Talley rings mounts and call it a day.   
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Originally posted by frozentundra frozentundra wrote:

I hope I'm able to source the new Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Something tells me it'll be hard to come by though.


I just checked store and it was in stock.  So it is available now.  1.20 per brass though.  Ouch. 
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Another question: should I get low(1") or super low(.82") to center?

In this case is lower better?  Less of a cheek riser needed?  Will that make them less versatile down the road?  

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Don't get super low, you should be good with low. It will be easier to build up a cheek piece a bit than to grind down something to make it fit.
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I'm running Aadland low rings - .83" height on a Savage 10 PC.  I have a SS 5-20x50 scope with Aadland scope caps, using a Seekins 20 MOA base and I have a little room to spare.  I also have a Triad tactical stock pack on - I needed to raise up my cheek weld.  I wouldn't want to go with 1" high rings, but that's just me.  .83" high rings work on both the factory Accu-stock and the McRee chassis I now have the action in.

The other thing you may want to consider is bedding your scope base to ensure it's true and flat when you torque it down. http://8541tactical.com/scope%20base%20install.php

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I have a few sets of weaver tactical six hole rings and would buy them again. Work just fine by me on several different rifles. Burris tactical are nice, I like talleys as well. I have never been one that has felt compelled to spend large amounts on rings, but I haven't had a failure either. My personal experience has not justified spending more...but if I have problems down the road who knows.

I'd say you'd be bettter of with a nice installation kit including torque tools and a 30 pack of beer with your rings and still save money.
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Thanks for the responses.

I wound up finding a good deal on Seekins Precision low rings. I'm still going to need a cheek riser of some sort on the Savage Accustock.

After I got the gun in hand, I figured a good way to test the scope for height, eye relief, and clearance for the bell. I took two sets of quarters and stacked them to simulate the height to the bottom of the rings. Then I folded them into a square of paper and folded the ends up like a burrito to retain the quarters, perfect the height, and protect everything from scratches. I set these little quarter "packets" where the rings would sit on the rail, set the scope atop,then wrapped appropriate sized rubber bands all the way around the rifle/scope tube at the location of the riser packets. This both retains the packets and the scope, allowing you to move it around incrementally with relative stability. Would have to almost try to drop the scope or scratch it.

This allowed me to test comb riser height that I would need for optimum cheek weld.   
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