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Hey all from Washington, I'm Wil.

I'm looking for a new optic to put on my 280 Ackley build that's almost completed. Where I hunt, there's a decent amount of hiking involved (10+ miles/day) and shots up to 600yd could be taken. Realistically, I would close that distance to half, but have taken deer out over 500yd when there was no way to work in any closer.

Here's some basic requirements:
>9x mag on high end
<45mm objective
<24oz

I'd love to get some info on some scopes I'm thinking about and which ones you would consider the best for my intended use. 

Nikon Monarch 3 3-12x42 Custom XR Turret
Nikon Monarch 3 4-16x42 Custom XR Turret
Nikon Monarch 3 2.5-10x42 BDC
Nikon Prostaff 5 4.5-18x40 Custom XR Turret
Vortex Viper HSLR 4-16x44 Dead Hold BDC
Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10x44 Dead Hold BDC
Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 CDS
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id get vortex or leupold all day over nikon
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You might also look at the Zeiss Conquest in the 4.5-14x44.  With the release of the HD5 line, prices on these are good.  There's one on the sample list with a Rapid Z-600.
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What's the difference between the Rapid Z 600 and 800? Does one just offer the option for increased distances or do they only work with specific calibers? I noticed you said to check the 600 out and am only finding the 800, hence the question.

How does the Conquest glass compare with Nikon's, Vortex Viper's and Leupold VX-3's? I've heard a lot of good things about the company just never owned/known anyone who owned their stuff.

On the sample list the 3.5-10x44 Rapid Z 800 caught my eye ;)
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I hunt with a 280AI as well..
I think you should be looking at a scope you can dial in your elevation and have reference points for wind hold.

Swarovski Z3
This is about as close to getting what you want and are willing to spend

http://swfa.com/Swarovski-4-12x50-Z3-Riflescope-P51305.aspx
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You "tune" the Rapid Z reticles to your load by putting your specific information in Zeiss' online calculator and getting a specific magnification to have the scope on for the subtensions to closely match your load. It works pretty well in my experience. My guess is that your caliber should be a decent match for either the 600 or 800, with the 800 being the best match.
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Conquests are as good as the best monarchs or Vx-3. The conquests have etched reticles which is a big plus. My 4.5-14x44 ZRF w/ target turrets has been my favorite scope. Not quite as good in low light as some alpha glass I have had but plenty good for legal hunting. The power range, glass quality, size, weight, and adjustments have been my favorite for an all around scope. There are still a few conquest 4.5-14x50 plex w/ target turrets on the market, I would throw one in the mix while your looking. Probably be hard to find a 44mm with turrets. Both of mine have Kenton knobs set for my hunting loads.

Oh yeh, the rapid z , you put all of your information in and you get the optimal power for your set up. On a 3.5-10x44 your set may be correct on 8x where someone else's caliber may be correct on 6x. To have the yardage correct you have to figure out what power to set your scope on.
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So the Conquest line verses the Viper line from Vortex...? Is there a better option between these two?

The 3.5-10x44 RZ800 in the sample list is near the same price point as a Vortex Viper HSLR 4-16x44 Dead Hold BDC would be for me because I work in a shop that carries the Vortex stuff. If the Zeiss quality is better I'm fine not getting a pro deal on it and spending a little more.
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The other option to consider is if I'm thinking of spending in the $500 range, I'm curious what you all might think of the new Viper HSLR FFP glass they're offering.

The 4-16x50FFP XLR( http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/viper-hs-lr-4-16x50-ffp-with-xlr-moa-reticle ) would be within spitting distance of the Conquest at this price point. 

How does the comparison go between these two?
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After further research, it would appear Vortex's XLR reticle is similar to the the Zeiss Rapid Z reticle. With this in mind, I'm now wondering which will have the better glass between the two - Conquest vs. HSLR FFP.

Thoughts?
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Anything...?
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The XLR reticle is not a BDC reticle like the Rapid Z.  It is an evenly subtended FFP "Christmas Tree" reticle that does not change sub tensions with magnification changes.

Different beast.
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I am a huge Vortex Viper fan. I had my bad experiences with a Nikon Monarch. Although Nikon replaced the scope for me, free of charge, it could not repair the damage done with some inexplicaple wounding shots on oryx in the Kalahari. I sold that brand new Nikon and bought my first Leupold vx3 after adding some money. From now on it will be between Leopold vx3's and Vortex Vipers...and maybe the occasional Sightron S2 BS.
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It appears the Nikon is not on the same quality level as Vortex, Leupold and obviously Zeiss.
Between the Vortex Viper HSLR 4-16x44FFP and the Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 Rapid Z800 which would rather buy?
 
Another scope that just popped up on my radar is the Bushnell Elite Hunter 3-12x44FFP with their interesting G2H reticle.
Thoughts?
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