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I purchased a new Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 from Chris and mounted it on my new Browning X Bolt 7MM-08 rifle and really enjoy it. Between the scope and rifle, I am placing 5 shot groups in a half inch groups at 100 yards all day long!
I Purchased another Browning X Bolt rifle in .308 caliber this time and would like to mount another scope on it. I use the 7MM-08 for whitetail deer here in NC. The .308 will be used for the same thing as well as target and smaller game at ranges up to 150 yards max.
I thought about getting a fixed power to save a little money as well as have the different choices between the 7MM and .308.
I got my advise on here for the Conquest, and was pleased with the choice. I am now asking again for help for the fixed power!
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Frank, stick with what works. I would highly recommend to you the Zeiss Conquest 4X32. GREAT little scope. I can brag on this baby all day long. This has quickly become my favorite scope as I currently have one mounted on my "go to" frontline deer rifle. All my shots are 200 yards or less and this little scope has no problem delivering the goods. Great field of view, great eye relief, great low-light capabilities, an a tad bit shorter and lighter than the 3-9X40 Conquest. You will not be disappointed. Bricat.
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Aside from the 4x Zeiss @ $379, the best and most logical choice for a fixed scope to save money would imo, be the fixed 4x Leupold FX2. It`s light in weight, extremely durable, has great eye relief and would certainly look great on either X Bolt. 
 
Another consideration to save money would be the lighter and even more compact 2.5x FX2 Ultralite @ 6.5 oz (the actual listed weight on the Leupold site). This scope will give you more FOV than the 4x, is faster with both eyes open aiming capabilities, even better eye relief @ 4.9" and offers a lower profile.
 
Should you spot a nice one even out to 250-300 yards, the 2.5x is enough for the smaller deer sized game. This would make for a fun, compact, light weight scope, that would make your rifle carrying duties easier yet.
 
I am also considering adding this little scope as a 3rd scope, to use as a fun floater between my two rifles, a .300 WSM Ruger compact and a .375 Ruger Alaskan.    
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If you`re hunting under real low and dim light situations and want better optics, the Zeiss or the IOR is the better choice over the Leupold.
 
If you don`t mind a larger scope and the more scope weight of 14 oz, then the Zeiss or the IOR is the way to go.
 
Combine the lightness, speed and compact size of the Leupys with the great glass of the Zeiss or IOR? That would be quite a scope!........I`d buy one of those!
 
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Well, heck a 14 oz scope is no burden.......and the IOR at $360-$370 is like TWICE as good as the FX-2 ( like, isn't the FX-VX II stuff simply supposed to just like the former Vari X-III??)
 
At the fixed 4X scope niche---the IOR is the most reasonable way to go to get REAL European optics on your rifle ........the Zeiss Conquest has Euro glass....another way to go....
 
I think the next step up for great European-type optics would be the variable scopes in the Zeiss Conquest line-up or move over to Meopta.  The IOR variables seem to have gone through the roof lately--price-wise---and are getting to be as expensive as moving up to the next level which would be Kahles....
 
So if someone is thinking about fixed powers that is what I would do---check out the IORs, the Zeiss Conquests and the Meoptas.......
 
And again, look at the Leupold prices in this arena!  The Leupold offering is this arena is up there with the IOR and Zeiss Conquests and Meopta fixed powers!!   Shocked     Laugh  
 
( Hello!!!  Is anybody from the Hate Leupold thread following along here??!!  Shocked)
 
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Big Squeeze - what about that little Weaver you used to advocate?
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I am not really sure of the budget yet Pyro. Hard to set a dollar amount when you want a good scope with good glass. I remember speaking to you about the Zeiss Conquest just before buying it. I can honestly say, "money well spent"! Thanks for that advise!
I guess the best thing to do is just stay with the Zeiss in a fixed power. I love the optics of the 3-9X40 Conquest. I have no experience with the IOR, and will take a look at that one before deciding.
How does the IOR stack up with the Zeiss?
Want to thank everyone for the help so far.
I guess it is close enough to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday season.
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Sometime back, another member got a 1x3 V3 for his Marlin lever and wound up sending it back. Don`t remember exactly why.
 
He exchanged it for the 1-4x20 VX2 and reported that it was much better.
 
On this thread, to go from looking through a 3x9 Conquest mounted on one rifle and reco-ing a V3 for his other rifle?...............Nope!..........Not me!!! 
 
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the one thing that bums me out about the ior is that it only has 3.5" of eye relief where the zeiss and the leupold are both 4" or better, glass wise the ior is excellent better than the conquest. a member here called rancid coolaid has that very ior scope on a 45-70 and i would ask him what he thinks about it.
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My gripe with Zeiss and IOR is that while you get the great glass, you also get larger and heavier scopes! 14 oz for only a 4x!............No Burden?.......5 oz to a 9 oz difference is not a lot of weight,,,UNTIL,,,the long hikes and possibly the hard climbs in high altitudes that come with it........I know and have experienced the difference. And believe me! There is a difference! 
   
Shorter hikes with less climbing in the flat lands and easier rolling terrain, or hunting from a stand would be a different story. Then one could load up rifle with a 20 oz scope!  
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ounces dont matter! i spent 10 years hunting in my home state of wyoming most of my hunting was done over 9000ft of elevation and 10oz doesnt make a damn bit of difference,  i walked 5-10 miles a day hunting elk, with an 8.5 pound gun with a varixII 3x9 on it, do you really think i was worried about ounces?? no, im worried about pounds here had i been carrying a 6 pound gun with that scope would have i been happier? yes would a 7 pound gun made a difference, no. sometimes a little weight is nice to help you stablize a good shot, easier to do with a heavier rifle and scope than it is with a 5 pound noodle out there whipping in the wind.
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The 3.5" of eye relief should not be an issue on a .308 either.
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I'm with bricat on the Conquest 4X32 -- fantastic little scope!!!  It is one of the best fixed power scopes overall that I've seen, when factoring in everything -- price, performance, reticles, and size.  I wouldn't hesitate to pick this scope for any fixed power hunting rifle need for the typically moderate average shot distances.  Yes, it is a couple ounces heavier than you'd expect, but the tradeoff in image quality and FOV is worth it.
 
Generally, I like lighter scopes better than heavier scopes, if you don't sacrifice something in the process of going lighter.  However, unless the scope starts to approach 20+ oz., I don't concern myself with a few extra ounces, with the exception of one type of rig -- the ultralight mountain rifle and/or the lightweight brush carbine deer rifle.  On those rigs, every ounce counts and I do want the lightest scope possible -- within reason -- without sacrificing optics or durability.  Otherwise, on a standard 7.5 - 8 lb. general purpose big game rifle, I could care less what the scope weighs as long as it's in a power range and size suitable to complement the rifle.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

ounces dont matter! i spent 10 years hunting in my home state of wyoming most of my hunting was done over 9000ft of elevation and 10oz doesnt make a damn bit of difference,  i walked 5-10 miles a day hunting elk, with an 8.5 pound gun with a varixII 3x9 on it, do you really think i was worried about ounces?? no, im worried about pounds here had i been carrying a 6 pound gun with that scope would have i been happier? yes would a 7 pound gun made a difference, no. sometimes a little weight is nice to help you stablize a good shot, easier to do with a heavier rifle and scope than it is with a 5 pound noodle out there whipping in the wind.
..............Oh yes it does make a damn difference!....You may think there is no difference, but there is! Laws of physics and how it relates to the human body, altitude and gravity there Pyro!
 
No matter what kind of shape one is in, less weight, regardless of how little the difference, is always easier.
 
If you would have had a 7.5 lb or an 8 lb rifle with scope on your elk hunts instead of your 8.5 lb rifle, it still would have been easier to a small degree. And for comparison purposes, if you had such a lighter rifle and did the same route as you did with your heavier rifle, you would have physically noticed a difference. All of us would have.
 
While you were more the able with that 8.5 lb rifle, a lighter one, to one degree or another, would have been easier.   
 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

My gripe with Zeiss and IOR is that while you get the great glass, you also get larger and heavier scopes! 14 oz for only a 4x!............No Burden?.......5 oz to a 9 oz difference is not a lot of weight,,,UNTIL,,,the long hikes and possibly the hard climbs in high altitudes that come with it........I know and have experienced the difference. And believe me! There is a difference! 
   
Shorter hikes with less climbing in the flat lands and easier rolling terrain, or hunting from a stand would be a different story. Then one could load up rifle with a 20 oz scope!  
 
OH FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!   5 ounces!!!!     Eek     eat some Wheaties!!!   It's as HEAVY as a Leupold  3.5X10 !!!!!     Roll on Floor Laughing     Laugh    ( you're killing me---I'm wetting my pants!!!!  )  Down the Toilet
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the one thing that bums me out about the ior is that it only has 3.5" of eye relief where the zeiss and the leupold are both 4" or better, glass wise the ior is excellent better than the conquest. a member here called rancid coolaid has that very ior scope on a 45-70 and i would ask him what he thinks about it.
 
Yes.....here's another URBAN LEGEND:  We all need SEVEN MILES of eye relief......Laugh  Roll on Floor Laughing
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

My gripe with Zeiss and IOR is that while you get the great glass, you also get larger and heavier scopes! 14 oz for only a 4x!............No Burden?.......5 oz to a 9 oz difference is not a lot of weight,,,UNTIL,,,the long hikes and possibly the hard climbs in high altitudes that come with it........I know and have experienced the difference. And believe me! There is a difference! 
   
Shorter hikes with less climbing in the flat lands and easier rolling terrain, or hunting from a stand would be a different story. Then one could load up rifle with a 20 oz scope!  
 
OH FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!   5 ounces!!!!     Eek     eat some Wheaties!!!   It's as HEAVY as a Leupold  3.5X10 !!!!!     Roll on Floor Laughing     Laugh    ( you're killing me---I'm wetting my pants!!!!  )  Down the Toilet
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Just looked at the Leupold FXII. Not a bad looking scope. It does show that it is lighter in weight, but I don't think weight is a factor for me. If I am going to do any hiking with the rifle, it will be with the 7MM-08 and the Zeiss Conquest.
The .308 will be for occasional hunting and target as well as the small game shooting close to home.
For some reason, I am not comfortable with the Leupolds any more after the one bad experience I had with it.
It's like trying to carry a concealed weapon after it has jammed on you. Just don't have the confidence in it to protect my life.
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Frank..............Tell us about your bad experience with Leupold. Which scope?
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

ounces dont matter! i spent 10 years hunting in my home state of wyoming most of my hunting was done over 9000ft of elevation and 10oz doesnt make a damn bit of difference,  i walked 5-10 miles a day hunting elk, with an 8.5 pound gun with a varixII 3x9 on it, do you really think i was worried about ounces?? no, im worried about pounds here had i been carrying a 6 pound gun with that scope would have i been happier? yes would a 7 pound gun made a difference, no. sometimes a little weight is nice to help you stablize a good shot, easier to do with a heavier rifle and scope than it is with a 5 pound noodle out there whipping in the wind.
..............Oh yes it does make a damn difference!....You may think there is no difference, but there is! Laws of physics and how it relates to the human body, altitude and gravity there Pyro!
 
No matter what kind of shape one is in, less weight, regardless of how little the difference, is always easier.
 
If you would have had a 7.5 lb or an 8 lb rifle with scope on your elk hunts instead of your 8.5 lb rifle, it still would have been easier to a small degree. And for comparison purposes, if you had such a lighter rifle and did the same route as you did with your heavier rifle, you would have physically noticed a difference. All of us would have.
 
While you were more the able with that 8.5 lb rifle, a lighter one, to one degree or another, would have been easier.   
 

arguing over ounces of weight makes as much sense as arguing over 50fps and 50ftlbs of energy between two different calibers or rifles, there aint enough difference there to make it matter one bit. the only time one should worry about ounces is when your taking that hunting trip to alaska and you have to meet a weight limit with all your gear so the damn float plane can get off the water, in situations where your going to be carrying the rifle every day for 12 hrs for two weeks, and even then im not worried about 5-9 oz, hell i carry more than that in extra shells in one pants pocket. you can talk about physics all day long, and i dont care ive been there done that, hell i even took my dads m70xtr .243 with a bull barrel on it elk hunting for a week, and that was a 10 pound rifle, was it the funnest thing to carry no, did i manage yes, would have i noticed any difference between an m-8 4x loppie and the 3x9 varixII that is on it still no.


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