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    Posted: January/07/2008 at 18:40
I have a Bushnell 3x9x50 Legend that I bought as a "sorta" low end scope.  Turns out to be a great scope for me.  Very clear and bright at dusk.  I have a rifle that needs a new scope and am considering the Elite 3200 3x9x50 with firefly and rainguard. Here are my questions.....
The Elite has Multi coated optics but the Legend has Fully multi coated optics.  Isnt fully multi coated better?
The Legend has 91% light trasmission wereas the 3200 has 93%. Not alot of difference is it?
I really "think" I want the firefly reticle, but is the Elite worth 100.00 more than the legend??  Going by the specs here on this site, the legend is as good or better scope than the Elite as far as optics.  I know it doesnt have the raingaurd, but the rifle this scope is going on will not see the rain if I can help it!!
ANYWAY, i am hoping for some feedback from some Bushnell users on this.
Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!!
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 Welcome!
   I think you have some good questions there, and others will be here shortly to begin answering them. You may wish to also consider the Bushnell 4200 series.  They are considered by many here to be significantly better than the 3200 for not too much more money.
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i agree if you can find one
 Why?  Are they hard to get already?
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Jeffrey...........................My advice is this! While they last, go with the Elite 4200 in the 3-9x40 for $289 and scrap the 3200 firefly 50mm idea! Your 1st priority is optical quality or superiority, which the 4200 will certainly deliver over the 3200.........You didn`t have the "firefly" in the past and you were ok without it! Right? If it`s not broke, then why fix it!!!.............WinkWinkWink 
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The 4200 is an option!!  I can live without the firefly, but wont I be giving up some light gathering ability by going with a 3x9x40??
Thanks for the help!!!
 
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You will be giving up nothing in light gathering ability by going to the 40mm 4200! A 50mm objective adds weight and a higher profile to a rifle! The key to low light hunting is to keep your power turned down as much as possible!! A 50mm 3200 will not fill your tags any better than a 40mm 4200!
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According to the specs here on this site , the 4200 has 95% light gathering, the 3200 has 90% and the Legend has 91%.  The 4200 and the Legend has FULLY multicoated optics and the 3200 doesnt.  Big Squeeze, you are slowly talking me into a 3x9x40 4200!!!

Not much more dough. Probably be the last scope I buy for this rifle! 

I had just always assumed the 50mm gathered more light.  I do like the low profile of a 3x9x40 scope though!!

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Jeffrey!.........................Guess what scope sits atop my 300 WSM Ruger Frontier compact?WinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWink
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4200 Elite in the 3x9x40 is the way to go !!!
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Can anyone enlighten us to the difference between coated, multi-coated and fully multi-coated scopes?

Edited by 8shots - January/08/2008 at 06:45
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Coated atleast one layer to the exposed lens surface.
Fully coated atleast one layer to all lens surfaces.
Multi coated atleast two layers to the exposed surfaces.
Fully multi coated atleast two layers on all lens surfaces.
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The larger objective will only let you use slightly MORE magnification in low light it will not make the scope brighter if you stay at your exit pupil size or lower. I'm totally spoiled by the 4200 elites, firefly while a nice feature doesn't mean nearly as much to me as the rainguard. Also remember......two scopes with full multi coating may 1. have differing quality and content coatings. 2. may have differing number of layers of coatings.
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I beleive I see a 4200 in the NEAR future!!
My Mod 70 30-06 will look good with that up there!!
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Coated atleast one layer to the exposed lens surface.
Fully coated atleast one layer to all lens surfaces.
Multi coated atleast two layers to the exposed surfaces.
Fully multi coated atleast two layers on all lens surfaces.
 
Full marks , Cyborg
  • Coated: A single layer is on at least one lens surface.
  • Fully-coated: A single layer is on all air-to-glass surfaces.
  • Fully multi-coated: Multiple layers are on all air-to-glass surfaces.

Sorry for the loaded question, but the reason I asked this was that I read in a book called Precision Shooting at 1000yds, that the writer states that fully multi-coated meant that not only was the lens surfaces coated, but also that the internal tube etc. was coated.

Just wondered if some-one else understood it like that.
 
Also sorry to highjack thread, but the opening question also asked about lens coatings, which got me thinking.
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There are manufacturers that multi coat all lenses, internal as well as external. Which is True fully multi-coated lenses. The cheaper manufacturers advertise fully multi-coated, which are only the external lens surfaces, this should read as multi-coated. They are getting away with this due to the trivialized definitions as to what is truly what.
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I have the 3-9x40 4200 on my .357 lever gun and also have the 3-9x40 Legand on a .243.  Really there is no comparison.  I thought the Legend was great when I got it and really enjoyed shooting that rifle.  Then I got the 4200 and thought wow this is amazing.  Then I bought my first expensive euro optic and was like holy crap this is unbelievable. 
That is what is so great about the optic market.  You can spend $300 or $400 and get an pretty good scope that is bright clear and that you will actually enjoy looking through.  Or you can spend a whole wad of cash and get a scope that is so clear and bright that you cannot even tell you are looking through an optic. 

My opinion is for the money you can't beat that 3-9x 4200 it works great in low light and is very clear.  And about the whole 40 to 50mm thing.  40 is the way to go, you can mount it lower which allows you to get a better cheek weld.  Even at 9 power you will still have an exit pupil of 4.4mm.  That is bigger than the human pupil during day time.  At low light your ability to see distance is greatly reduced anyway, so you only need it on 4 or 5 power anyway. 
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Depends on how much you want to spend.  The Legend is a fine scope.  I have the 3x9 50mm and it is crisp and clear and just slightly behind my Elite 4200 which cost 350 dollars more.  What is worth it?  Probably not.  The Legend is on a Zastavia .308 shooting handloads that overlap at 100 yards and the E/W adjusts as accurately as any scope that I own, regardless of cost.  The 40mm objective would be a fine scope.  I read somewhere that they were even tested with a 375 H&H magnum.  Cannot find that statement anymore.  I have decided that the Legend is going to be my go to scope when money is short, as well as the Sightron SI.  Other bargains outside of the Bushnell line are the Nikon Team Primos 3x9 at I think 216 dollars and the Sightron SII 3x9 42mm and 200 bucks, which is equal to the Nikon and Bushnell Elite 4200 and is a steal.
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What could be worse than missing a trophy in the field? Enough said. Enter the Bushnell Elite 4200 - Bushnell's top-of-the-line rifle scope. With 95% light transmission at 550nm and Bushnell's exclusive, hydrophobic Rainguard lens coating, this is, hands down, the brightest scope in the world. All optical lens surfaces are fully multi-coated for maximum light trnsmission and the sharpest image. The ultra-strong one-piece tube is hammer-forged from an aluminum and titanium alloy for 30% more strength than standard aluminum scopes. The Bushnell Elite 4200 is recoil tested to 10,000 rounds of a .375 H&H magnum. Bushnell Elite 4200 rifle scopes are built to deliver superior field performance. Period. News that seems to be traveling equally as fast.

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Thanks so much for the advice guys. I beleive the 4200 is the one.  The legend, as Dolphin said, will be my second choice when I need a good scope for a good price.
Also, I want to thank you all for keeping this a Bushnell thread and not a " I would buy this brand" thread.  I am sold on Bushnell!!!!
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