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I have put a down payment of $50 on a 243 target rifle (Savage Model 12 VLP), and am having 2nd thoughts on the caliber. I am using this strictly for "taget" shooting, and I am wondering if I should have gotten the 223 instead. Should I cancel the 243 and get the 223 ??? Please tell me what you think. I am new to rifle shooting besides the 22lr ruger I have.
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I would go 223 all the way.
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If only for targets and maybe a coyote or two ....223 !

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Can you describe "target" shooting?  What distances?  what kind of targets?  Are we talking plinking targets?  For plinking type shooting, I'd agree with the .223! 
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Can you describe "target" shooting?  What distances?  what kind of targets?  Are we talking plinking targets?  For plinking type shooting, I'd agree with the .223! 

Mainly, 100-200 yards, light competion. I don't even know what kind of targets, but the ones issued for competition at the club I belong to. I am just a beginner, but willing to buy the "right" rifle and pay a fair price for it.
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The rifle will cost the same regardless of caliber unless you go with a magnum, at those distances a 243 is not needed and the ammo is more $$ should you choose to shoot further the 243 would maybe be a better bet. I know some shoot the 223 out to 500/600 yrds but that is with heavy bullets nothing wrong there .

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go with .223.... much cheaper ammo and plenty enough for 200 yds!  And quite a bit less recoil, which should help you shoot it better!!
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

go with .223.... much cheaper ammo and plenty enough for 200 yds!  And quite a bit less recoil, which should help you shoot it better!!
 
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Originally posted by maori maori wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Can you describe "target" shooting?  What distances?  what kind of targets?  Are we talking plinking targets?  For plinking type shooting, I'd agree with the .223! 

Mainly, 100-200 yards, light competion. I don't even know what kind of targets, but the ones issued for competition at the club I belong to. I am just a beginner, but willing to buy the "right" rifle and pay a fair price for it.
Thanks, M
 If you think you may get really serious, get a true custom benchrest gun in .22 PPC or 6mm PPC. You will be able to put them in the same hole with one of those better than just about any any other cartridge out there.
Get a few books on benchrest competition before you decide.
 Glenn Newick has one out entitled "The Ultimate in Rifle Accuracy." Highly recommended as a primer on the guys that take such shooting to a degree we can hardly imagine.
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I'm thinking the best choice would be a .308 in a Savage 10FP or one of the Remmington PSS  rifles.   .

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the 22-250 is better than 223 plus it's cheaper with the 223 being a in demand for the military.  but that's just me.   
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Come back with the club rules and you will get a better answer.  BTW there is nothing wrong with the .243 for most stuff.  The .223 is in such demand that the old cheaper rule is being suspended by market forces.
 
Most target games favor the .224s bullet or .308 bullets because of economies of scale and development.  I'm just waiting to see what else gets mentioned. Get Your Popcorn Ready
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if it were me i would stick with the .243 its a fine target caliber too. the problem with the .22-250 is that it can be hard on barrels.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if it were me i would stick with the .243 its a fine target caliber too. the problem with the .22-250 is that it can be hard on barrels.
 
I agree completely.  The .243 is an excellent cartridge and does double duty as a great varmint round with proper bullet selection.
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AHHH hell go with the 204 ruger. the 22-250 is hard a on barrels that's why u go with a bull or something a long that lines. he did say he was looking @ 12 VLP anyways not trying to pick a fight. just giving  my a opinion 
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the .204 would be an even worse choice really, i love my 22-250 but you gotta admit that the heavier 6mm bullet will perform better in windy conditions. 
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Originally posted by maori maori wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Can you describe "target" shooting?  What distances?  what kind of targets?  Are we talking plinking targets?  For plinking type shooting, I'd agree with the .223! 

Mainly, 100-200 yards, light competion. I don't even know what kind of targets, but the ones issued for competition at the club I belong to. I am just a beginner, but willing to buy the "right" rifle and pay a fair price for it.
Thanks, M
 
Why are you guys telling him to get something for 600 yds out to 1000yds..... someone even recommended a "custom"?  He said Mainly 100-200 yards!!!!  Loco  He's been mostly shooting 22LR!  I don't care what he ends up getting or if he think's I'm nuts, but gee whiz, listen to what he's saying.  After a couple of years of shooting the .223 at 100-200 yds and he wants to step-up, then yea, go with something custom in a sexy caliber!
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Originally posted by maori maori wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Can you describe "target" shooting?  What distances?  what kind of targets?  Are we talking plinking targets?  For plinking type shooting, I'd agree with the .223! 

Mainly, 100-200 yards, light competion. I don't even know what kind of targets, but the ones issued for competition at the club I belong to. I am just a beginner, but willing to buy the "right" rifle and pay a fair price for it.
Thanks, M
 
Why are you guys telling him to get something for 600 yds out to 1000yds..... someone even recommended a "custom"?  He said Mainly 100-200 yards!!!!  Loco  He's been mostly shooting 22LR!  I don't care what he ends up getting or if he think's I'm nuts, but gee whiz, listen to what he's saying.  After a couple of years of shooting the .223 at 100-200 yds and he wants to step-up, then yea, go with something custom in a sexy caliber!

yeah we are listening and i agree with the notion that right now .223 ammo is very hard to come by, which is why i mentioned the .243
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The OP originally stated "strictly" targets and unless I missed something he also stated a range of 100-200 yards. There is no logical reason for opting for something more powerful or with longer range capabilities than a 223. Less recoil, less muzzle report, cheaper ammo, endless availability and a good reputation for accuracy.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

The OP originally stated "strictly" targets and unless I missed something he also stated a range of 100-200 yards. There is no logical reason for opting for something more powerful or with longer range capabilities than a 223. Less recoil, less muzzle report, cheaper ammo, endless availability and a good reputation for accuracy.

under most circumstances roy i would agree with you, but if you look online at all of the big boys ammo sections most of them are completely sold out of .223 ammo in every configuration, right now with the war and the whole push to buy more ammo isnt plentiful for the .223 or the .308. otherwise im in total agreement with you.
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Wow, I really appreciate all the input here. I actually like when someone speaks their mind, even if it is not what I want to hear. TY. The reason I chose the .243 over the .223 is the thought that the .243 is more versatile when it comes to hunting. With the right load it can take ''white tails'', whereas the 223 is illegal to hunt white tail here in Michigan. Then I got to thinking, "all I want this gun for is to target shoot", but the 243 is also good for that too. Yes, it may be more expensive, but the demands for 223 is very high right now. I have 4 handguns right now and the only one I can consistantly shoot is my Ruger Mark lll target model, yes, in 22lr. I want to get a caliber that I won't have problems obtaining, and yet be an excellent target shooter. I chose the 243, but have 2nd thoughts as to whether it was a good choice. It is also a stainless steel barrel, which is nice looking, but try matching a scope to the ss barrel??? Is the 243 overkill for just target shooting? (sometimes simulated out to 400 yds). I am also stuck on what scope to get. $%^& !
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plenty of guys who shoot in competitions use a 6mm (.244) the 6ppc and the 6br are very accurate. if you have any inclination that some day you may hunt with that rifle i would tell you to stick with it. the .243 is very versatile, you can use it for varmints like pdogs and coyotes and foxes and turn around and shoot targets and then take it after deer.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

plenty of guys who shoot in competitions use a 6mm (.244) the 6ppc and the 6br are very accurate. if you have any inclination that some day you may hunt with that rifle i would tell you to stick with it. the .243 is very versatile, you can use it for varmints like pdogs and coyotes and foxes and turn around and shoot targets and then take it after deer.
thanks pyro, good advice, same to all.Excellent
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If you have plans on using it for hunting whitetails (although you didn't state that originally) then the 243 is the way to go. You might want to consider something with a little less heft if you plan on hunting with this rifle.

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i don't know from what I've  seen and read the smaller bullets have less of  drag in the wind. just not a fan of 6mm(243) bullet. from personal use. now don't get me wrong I LOVE 30cal bullets of them both.  
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