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Cheers all,

I'm new to rifles and optics, but as a lifelong shotgunner, not new to guns.  Here's the deal.  I won a Remington 700 sps stainless 30-06 at a sporting clays event and I'm really excited about learning to shoot rifles.  All my previous experience amounts to plinking with a 22 bolt action with a cheap scope and an occasional trigger pull on a Mauser 8mm. 

A friend of mine has a lightly used Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14 x 40 scope he'd like to sell me.  Please note that this is not the newer VX but an older Vari-X.  I recognize that this scope is possibly overkill, but I'm thinking that if I can get a good deal then it'll be well worth it. 

So...  what do you guys think is a good price for this scope?

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List/2 or half invoice would be typical. So take that price and see what it buys.

 

  I have to ask why pay money at all for something you currently suspect you are not going to like?  How does this scope fit your needs? 

 

 Why is your friend selling it?  Was it too much scope for him? Did your friend pay too much in the first place?

 

More to the point.  I am not saying your friend is trying to get the better of you.  But why not focus on what you need, rather than playing the game of "I got a deal".  Most of the "great deals" I have gotten over the year have had major flaws.  If I am to lay out what could easly be a car payment or more I want to get it right the first time and not worry about needing trading for what behind curtain number three.  The best deal is getting it right the first time.

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TrueBlue;

 

I believe that the Leupold 4.5-14 Vari-X will also be an A/O type scope.  In other words, it will have a focusing adjustment on the objective bell.  This will allow you to focus to eliminate parallax at various ranges you'd be shooting at.  The A/O (Adjustable Objective) feature appears on most scopes with an upper magnification exceeding 10X. 

 

I have several scopes with this feature & like them in their proper application.  However, my personal opinion is that they aren't desireable for big game hunting.  I don't want to have a shot not taken, or missed, due to a fuzzy image in the scope.  And, this can happen if the A/O is not set close enough for the actual range of the game you're trying to shoot.  Re-setting A/O takes time & in the game fields, that's frequently a luxury the animal is not going to give you.

 

So, depending upon the use(s) you see yourself putting this gun to, it may be a very good deal, or a pass.  Check e-bay & see what this used scope is selling for over there.  Check a local gun show, there's usually a couple of used glass dealers around.  However, if it's a short-term opportunity, just check e-bay & make your own decision.  Me, if the price was right, I'd probably hop on it.

 

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This scope would probably work better on a varmint rifle than on a sporting-weight .30-06.  A 3-9x would be a far better choice.  (If you are hunting in the eastern woods, you may need even less power.)  The Burris FFII would be one of many good choices.

 

Your Remington .30-06 is a great U.S. big game rifle!!  My Remington .30-06s have loved 165 grain handloads.  You might think about starting with a Lee Loader kit, and then upgrading to a press.

 

Enjoy your new rifle!  

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Are you going to hunt with this rifle? If your plans are just to shoot paper at 100 yards then you probably wont need a real expensive scope.Most of my scattergun buddies don't like to take the time that is needed to make a rifle shoot good. I.E long afternoons at the range sighting in. And the longer time it takes to get a rifle good and cleaned.
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TrueBlue:

You got some good advise from the guys there!!

 

Welcome to The OT!!

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Personally the 4.5-14 VXIII is one of my favorite scopes. I find it a little hard to believe that the comment was made that a 3-9 would be better as I disagree and will note that  the difference between 3x and 4.5x is minimal however the dirrerence between 9x and 14x is fairly significant especially when it comes to deer in the 200 to 300 yd range. The added magnification can aid in allowing you to compare the racks of two deer or determine if one is a doe or actually is a spike which can be important in determining what you want to shoot. If the scope is in good condition I see no reason not to buy it especially if you can buy it for half the price of a new one. I have two Leupold scopes that are over 30 yrs old and they work just fine even thought they are not near the quality of a VXIII.
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I never buy used optics. I would recomend a new scope for your 30-06, what Silver said is true

the best deal is getting it right the first time. There is a 3-9x40 Elite 4200 that is going to turn

heads pretty soon, this scope has a ballistic plex and is priced at under 300$.

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If you hunt in the desert or some place open and flat then 4.5x14 is a maybe.  I see the 4.5x14 on some sort of varmit rifle like a.22-250, .243 or .25-06.  The .30-06 has certain "mythical" qualities like the .45 acp, where dumb luck has become gosple.  One hundred years ago people used iron sights on .30-06 to make 500 yards shots on a regular basis.  Now anything less than 24x is suspect 

 

Unless you are hunting in lots of open space, then to me the 4.5 to 14 is too much. My area has few place to confirm or do load development for even 300 yards. So I don't worry as much about longer ranges.

 

 The "L" peoples scopes are a bit dark and the glass is bit grainy.  They spend alot of money on making thier scopes rugged, but not clear.  They are loosing thier edge by riding on thier reputation.  Zeiss Conquest line or Bushnell's 4200 series will better serve you. Get a damn clear scope, not one with just lots of magnification, and you will be happier. This is because you will find that there is less eye strain.  Also a rifle scope should not be used as a spotting scope (It is a good way to get shot at).

 

You are switching over from shotgun to rifle.  Most shotguners have serious issues with trigger control.  That's a big part of why shotguners have problems with pistols, who are all about trigger control. The extra magification may work against you, until you get the trigger control worked out.  YMMV 

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Fantastic responses guys.  I truely appreciate the critical analysis and after reading all the responses I think I'd be better served with a 3x9x40.  Right now I'm planning on comparing the 4200 to the Conquest to the Monarch.  First though, I'm off to Northern Minnesota for a little fishing with my cousins. 

As for the transition from shotgunning, I know it's going to be a bit tough.  I'll work on the patience.  Silver brought up trigger control.  When shooting sporting clays it's pretty much bang bang, can someone describe the differences?

Thanks again for the responses.  And further help in narrowing my choices would be great. 
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TrueBlue,

The biggies are all in the word BRASS. See below.

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Three additional thoughts:

 

1.  Followthrough is everything, just as in skeet, trap, or sporting clays.

A.  Keep concentrating on the shot until you see the hole in the target.

B.  You have to WANT the bullseye more than you want relief from the strain of holding the rifle and anticipating the recoil.  This is a matter of self-control and will power.

C.  Shoot as if there were a guide wire connecting the rifle to the bullet.  If you move the rifle before the bullet is in the target, believe that the bullet will move as well.

 

2.  A smooth, straight-back trigger pull is critically important.

A.  It doesn't need to be slow, but it does have to be smooth.

B.  A jerky or overly strong trigger pull can pull the rifle right off target.  Interestingly, this also happens a lot with shotguns though most people don't realize it.

C.  Be sure your trigger pull is straight back.  If you are pushing right, left, up, or down, it WILL affect the shot.   If you do any handgun shooting, you will find out quickly how critical this is.

 

3.  Ear protection is extremely important.

A.  Try using a good set of plugs AND muffs together.  This will help you concentrate on your shooting. 

B.  Muzzle blast can give you a flinch even more quickly than recoil.

 

These tips work with pistols and revolvers, too!  Enjoy your new rifle!

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