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Not really getting any response to my questions elsewhere so I will ask here... I bought a RRA Coyote rifle

 

And a Bushnell elite 4200 Tactical scope and would like to know if this scope will mount to the above rifle with medium rings

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Oh, here are the rings!

 

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Got a Double Star 24" varmint rig myself.  Installed a 56mm scope on flattop reciever similar to one you have with Leupold high QRW rings. This gave me about 3/8" between bottom of scope and forearm.   My "high" rings don't appear as tall as your medium rings you displayed.  It should work.  Food for thought, if your rings are too high then it is hard to get good face to stock fit and will cause IMHO more problems than it is worth.  Please post results with fit and how the Bushnell scope performs.  Scope I mounted is just "temporary" until I research a few other manufacturers.
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Just talked to Rock river and they state that I will probabaly need to install oneof these because of the length of the tactical style scopes...

I will let you know how the scope fits when I get it in!

 

 

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You may want to put a 20 or 22 moa canted rail on if you plan on using the target knobs to dail on targets at extended ranges or you will run out of travel.

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Those ARMS rings look like they should work and no I dont think you need to add the additional riser that riser is as it says a scout rail which means it is designed to move the scope forward which I doubt it will need. I would hardly call those rings "medium :

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All Steel 30mm Rings, secured with ARMS dovetail system to an extruded aluminum platform. Build in no-mar Patented Buffer Pads.

Height: 1.15" (Measured from the center of the ring to the top of the base).

 

Lets suppose for a minute that we are refering to the 30mm scope rather than its 1 in cousin in which case the 1.15 in from base to center of the ring sounds just a tad low to me.

 

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The typical rings on a flat top AR are the Ultra High at 1.4 in. worst case scenerio you cant get your head down far enough and you decide to add a riser.

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The rings look very high for "medium" ones, I have a 3-12x52 on my flat top with Badger high rings and it is great.  I would say buy the rings and if they are too low you can go with a riser but I don't think you'll need it.  ARMS website says they're 1.150" from the center to the base, the 4200 has a 50mm objective which is a shade under 2 inches, so cutting that in half, you should have over an 1/8 of an inch in clearance.  My Badger rings are 1.125 high which is just a shade under the ones you're looking at and I still have room to spare on a 52mm objective.   I don't think length of the scope will be a problem despite what RRA may tell you, my 3-12x52 has no issues there.  Here's an older photo of when it had the same rings before my SS graduated to my FN Mauser sniper.

  



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Here's the scope and FN Mauser now....I know this is not related to the question but I love this set up!   Seriously need to redo the bowflauge though.....got some more brownish color to use next time.   Ken Farrell rail and Leupy Mk4 low rings.

 

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They are medium height rings.... Here is the info! BTW, thanks for all of the info! Oh, so I am safe to assume that these will work just fine or I can go with the highs.
A.R.M.S. #22M MEDIUM HEIGHT THROW LEVER SCOPE RINGS  
 
 
 
 

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A.R.M.S. #22M MEDIUM HEIGHT THROW LEVER 30mm SCOPE RINGS

Throw Lever Rings - All Steel 30mm Ring, secured with A.R.M.S.® dovetail system to an extruded aluminum platform. Build in no mar Patented Buffer Pads. Available in Low, Medium, and High heights.
Medium - Center line to base distance is 1.150"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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High - Center line to base distance is 1.450"

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Originally posted by livetohunt livetohunt wrote:

You may want to put a 20 or 22 moa canted rail on if you plan on using the target knobs to dail on targets at extended ranges or you will run out of travel.

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Not sure I understand you! Can you please explain...

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Scopes have a certain amount of internal adjustment in your case 50 inches of adjustment at 100 yds.

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite4200_42-624 5t.cfm

figure if it were a perfect world that would be 25 inches up and 25 inches down from the scopes mechanical center of the adjustment range.  http://www.snipercentral.com/223.htm

if your zero was at 600 yds and you shot a target at 1000 yds the bullet would drop 302.1 inches which corresponds to 30.21 inches at 100 yds or 30.21 MOA minute of angle. With a tactical scope you dial in correction and put the cross hair on the target. If you only had 25 moa of internal adjustment you could not adjust up 30.21 moa so the way you compensate is to buy a plus 20 moa base that changes things to where with 50 in of adjustment 45 of them would be available to go up to compensate for bullet drop. If you are not shooting out past about 500 or 600 yds it is not eaven an issue and likely as not the allignment of the scope and barrel will be off some from mechanical zero in the middle of the scope requiring some correction to bring the scope adjustment on target with bullet impact by sighting in. You just dont know which way it will be off until you are on the range.  The long distance stuff over 500 or 600 yds shouldnt really be much of an issue with .223 as the bullet looses so much energy that it is really the wrong choice of cartridges for extreme distance. When you want to get out further buy a 30 cal or a 260 Rem. and a scope with 100 moa internal adjustment.



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You are cleared "hot" to buy the Mediums, if you look at the stats on the last post you put with the pics, you'll see the height I referred to is the 1.150 inch tall ones....ie. Medium models...I would see no value going with "high" models unless you were putting some sort of spotting scope on board (I'm kidding....the 6-24x50 will be great and is the one I"m planning to upgrade to someday for my AR)

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The issue in not so much scope clearance as how far down a person can get their head and what is comfortable. Iron sights for an AR are quite a way above the flat top. This is the safe choice

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I think I am going to spend a little extra money and go with the LaRue mount in the 1.5 in...

 

 

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No issues on this end, but like U-R said, if you have a big pumpkin for a head, you might need the extra height, I don't and I try to get the scope as look as physically possible....sometime I'll post the photo of my Imbel FAL that takes putting on my G1 metal handguards to get the scope to clear (it doesn't on the issue plastic or aftermarket Ironwood Designs handguards).
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