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I am in the market for a new varmint scope. The scopes duties will primarily be p-dogs with the occasional coyote. The scope needs to have target turrets, or be able to have stoney point knobs put on. Has to have AO. I would prefer it have mil-dot. The gun is a Savage 12fv in .223. I would like the scope to have enough adjustment to get out to 5-600 yards. I know, the .223 ain't that good at that range, but I like to have the ability without switching to my .308. Besides, I saw an article in the latest SOF mag that has a guy shooting .223 at 1000 yards and getting 7 in the X ring. Anyway, I would appreciate some options in optics. Oh, price must be under $300. Thanks in advance. Matt

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What magnification range are you looking for?

 

It is not easy to get a scope that is good optically with all the features you want for under $300.

 

Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42 is in the ballpark.

Bushnell Elite 3200 5-14x40 ot 5-15x50

Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 or 6-18x40 (I think Buckmaster has been redesigned recently and I have not seen the newer Buckmaster)

Weaver Grand Slam 4.5-14x40 or 6.5-20x40

Weaver V16 or V24

 

On a cheaper end (~$200 and under) you can consider Mueller scopes (they are all in your price range) or a Bushnell Legend 5-15x40.

 

It really comes down to how much money you are willing to spend.  Also keep in mind that you want to make sure you have solid mounts.

 

Personally, I would suggest that you consider raising your price limit to $400 or so which would greatly increase your available options.

 

I have a Savage 12FV in 22-250.  On it, I have a Ken Farrell base with Burris Signature Zee rings and a Burris Fullfield II 6.5-20x50AO scope with fine plex reticle.

 

That seems to work well for me, although sometimes I consider selling the scope and getting something else just for the sake of experimentation.

 

Ilya

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I have a Grand Slam 6x20x40 on a Savage 12BVSS in .22-250.  It's all the scope you'll need for varmint hunting.  I've cocmpared it to just about everything on the market, and it's what the folks here recommended for my price range, over a Leupold. Unfortunately, it's over you budget a bit. 

IMHO, you have to go to Zeiss to get noticably better clarity/brightness, and even then, it's not by much.  IF you want to shell out the extra $$, I'd recommend the Conquest...if not, I would put the Grand Slam above  everything else in its price range.  I've been kicking myself in the rear end for not buying more Grand Slams...I tried a couple of Burris Fullfield IIs, and NEITHER one will give me enough elevation adjustment at 100 yards on any of my AR-15s, unless I use *very* low mounts, and I don't think the glass is any better (or maybe even as good) as the Grand Slam.  I'm actually about to sell both of them, and I think I'll get another GS when I do. 

I think the Nikon Buckmaster is a good scope as well...but you're pretty much in the Grand Slam price range, so I'd suggest going ahead and getting the Grand Slam. 

Now, I'm not sure you're gonna get enough elevation adjustment out of any 1" tube at 600 yards, especially shooting .223...past 400 yards, those little pills start to drop pretty quickly.  80gr bullets may have more staying power, but I'm not sure...and you probably won't even be able to shoot them in that rifle...I don't think the twist rate is fast enough.  You might have to talk to one of the guys from SWFA on the phone to get answers to that.   If you have to go 30mm, then you're options get fewer, and your price goes up pretty quick.  About the only thing in your price range that will do everything you need it to is a Super Sniper, but then you're limited to a fixed power. 


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Grand Slams are very good scopes for the money indeed.

 

They are optically a little better than Fullfield II, but not as good as Burris Signature Select, IMO.

 

Fullfield II has the advantage of more interesting reticles available, namely BallisticPlex and Ballistic Mil-Dot.  Also someone willing to shell out the oney for a 6.5-20x40 Grand Slam should consider a SIghtron S2.  I think that it is optically better than a Grand Slam and has a greater adjustment range (if memory serves me right).

 

Another consideration is that Fullfield II is available with a 50mm objective which makes a difference at higher magnifications.  For the same exit pupil size Grand Slam is a bit brighter, but at the same magnification Fullfield II 6.5-20x50 has a larger exit pupil (25% larger diameter and 56% larger area) and less critical eye position.  This is probably the one case where a larger objective bell has some importance since for varminting the weight of the scope does not matter much and you spend a lot of time using higher magnifications (although I seldom go beyond 15x or so).

 

Anyhow, this is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

Ilya

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Well, I figured the max magnification should be about 24x. Looking around here a little more I saw the bushnell Dusk till Dawn scopes. They have a 6-24x40 power scope with target turrets, mil-dot, and AO. Anybody have any info on these? I have been wanting a Super Sniper for a long time, But I am not sure it would be the scope for this setup. Your help is greatly appreciated. Matt
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Dusk till Dawn are lower end scopes that I would stay away from.  Mueller scopes will give you more for the money.  You are trying to resolve little things pretty far away.  You'll be better of with higher quality optics at lower magnification than with high magnification and bad optical quality.

 

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Ok, I finally got a job this week. So I can allocate some more money to the glass. Price limit is roughly $500. I was looking at the Nikon Monarch 6.5-20. But I really do want a Super Sniper. But I am not sure if the 10x allow me to locate a p-dog at 400+ yards. But if I get the 16x, that would be way to much for coyotes. You help is greatly appreciated.
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