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Hello everyone

I've got this AR-15 flat-top, 5.56mm, with a 16in middy BCM barrel and they are supposed to have very good accuracy so I've been thinking of putting a scope on the top of it. 

Now as much as I'd love to go Tactical with an ACOG or Accupoint in all honestly this rifle is only going to be used to put holes in paper from a bench. The range I shoot at goes to 300 yards so I just can't see dumping a ton of cash on into this project. While I don't have a set budget per se I'm ALL ABOUT bang for the buck and I think I can do this for $500.00 of less.

For mounting it seems the best game in town is a Larue mount for $200.00 so that's a big chunk of change but from what I've read it seems to be worth it. Agree disagree?

For the optic I've been looking at the Bushnell 4200 3-9 $260.00. I picked this because I've read it's very clear and super bright BUT it seems there are some good deals out there right now that have me second guessing.

Nikon Team Primos 3-9 $200.00 (used to be a $350.00 optic)
The  Burris 3-9x32 Ballistic Plex for $119.00 40% off

What do you think? Any other suggestions?

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The Larue mount is good kit of course
but in all honesty, if you aren't going to be taking it on and off frequently you can get a fixed mount for less than 1/2 the price

I would rather spend the money in glass since you have a fixed budget for the whole thing
if you are going to be doing primarily paper, why not get something like a 4-16, would be good at 300 yards, like a Nikon Monarch


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 Why not go to swfa's web site and look at their flat top mount$60 and it comes with 1" inserts so you can mount just about any scope you want. While on their site take a look at their 3x9 or the 10x42, with eigther one you be on budget almost with both the mount and the scope.
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Good choice on the scope.  I have one on a AR in .223 and in 6.8.  I would get the SWFA mount as well.  It is prefect for what you want.  The LaRue stuff is the shiznit, but with your budget and intended us there is just no need to spend that kind of money on one. 
Except it is still out of stock.  But the Burris PEPR is the exact same thing.  http://swfa.com/Burris-AR-PEPR-1-Scope-Mount-P12624.aspx

Here is a pick of mine with the 4200 and the SWFA SSALT mount. 



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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

The Larue mount is good kit of course
but in all honesty, if you aren't going to be taking it on and off frequently you can get a fixed mount for less than 1/2 the price

I would rather spend the money in glass since you have a fixed budget for the whole thing
if you are going to be doing primarily paper, why not get something like a 4-16, would be good at 300 yards, like a Nikon Monarch
Originally posted by rjtfroggy rjtfroggy wrote:

 Why not go to swfa's web site and look at their flat top mount$60 and it comes with 1" inserts so you can mount just about any scope you want. While on their site take a look at their 3x9 or the 10x42, with eigther one you be on budget almost with both the mount and the scope.

Thanks for the replies
ccoker: The reason I said 3-9 is because it seems to be the most common and since I've never used a scope before I don't know what I'm looking for. I'll check out the 4-16 but could you let me know what some other mounts would be? I would be removing the scope while it's at home and putting back on the BUIS.

rjtfroggy: what mount are you talking about? I don't see any mounts listed as a SWFA brand?
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 Joe when you get on the site   over to the upper left you will see a list ot offerings schroll down to mounts then when the brands pop up go to SS and click on it. Then you will see a set of rings and a one piece mount click the mount and there it will be. It is called a.s.s.a.l.t..
 I put one on my bushmaster and all I can say is it is great, place it where ever you need for eye relief and tighten down and forget about it. Mark the slots you use and if you remove the scope when you put it back on it should still be zeroed.
 As far as out of stock give them a call because I think they were due in this week. If you are in a hurry burris makes the same mount and swfa carries them as well.


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 Joe I just tried to access those mounts and nothing is coming up. Call swfa and see what happened to them because I think they are great for flat tops. If they are not going to have them anymore, Burris makes the same thing look under the burris mounts.
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if you plan to take the scope off and want it to truely return to zero and this is going to be a frequent excerise then go ahead and get a Laurue or American Defense

the 3-9 is a great all around scope but lacking the magnifaction if you want to be doing a lot target work at 300 yards, can you hit the center of the target? sure, but if you really want to shoot TIGHT groups you really want a little more magnification
hence the 4-16 recommendation
Nikon Monarch or Bushnell 4200 both are great scopes, you are just going to be pressed to get a higher mag scope and a good QR mount for 500 total


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11330 GG&G Accucam QD Mounting Base GGG1238, Matte finish, quick detatch Accucam with integral 30mm rings, perfect for AR15 and M16 applications, used $149.95
11119 SWFA 20x42 SS Matte finish, mil dot reticle, 30mm tube, 1/4 moa target knobs, fast focus eye piece, rear parallax adjustment, like new condition $249.95
The set up above is a quick release and a 20x with tactical knobs great for daylight target shooting.  Not what I would put on a 16 in though I would put this
10640 Trijicon 3x24 Compact Acog TA50R4, Matte finish, Red Crosshair reticle, BAC, in store display model $599.95
and I would mount it with the La Rue  RCO mount and Id leave it on there and not switch back and forth.   Because of short eye relief this sits right at the rear of the rail and it is exactly what I am using.  There are lots of routes you can take but you are better off to spend a little more and be happy with what you set up than to do something and regret it later.  The M4 style guns just feel better handeling wise with a small optic like an ACOG or EOTech or Aimpoint.    If you really want to put a traditional optic on the AR go with one of the Super Sniper models probably the 3-9x42 and plan on it staying put not switching back and forth to irons.   As for the traditional hunting scopes the 4200 is a good scope but I like their  4-16x40 you give up one power on the low end and gain 7 on the high end - good trade off and the knobs on it are now 1/4 moa clicks so you can dial in correction. The 1/10 mil clicks and true tactical knobs and first focal plane reticle make the 3-9x42 Super Sniper  an ideal scope for an AR very solid scope you wont go wrong with any of these choices.
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Im not a big fan of anything quick detachable but La Rue and GG&G will bring something back pretty darn close.   If it is a mount that will be left on you can save money with SWFA s mount or WARNE.
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Wow.. thanks for all the replies. 

I had no idea I could get an ACOG for less than $1000.00 and the sample list has an 3-9 Accupoint for $500.00 as well as a 4-16 Monarch for $379.00.

The ACOGs are super cool but I wanted to try shooting for groups and I'm not sure that's the best way to do that.

If I wanted to stick with a standard optic it seems a Larue mount with a 4-16 Monarch comes in right around my budget. I'm not sure what a 3-9 Super Sniper adds to the mix, just better clarity?

Regardless I'm going to save up some pennies to make it work with no compromises.
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 Joe a set of ss 30mm high rings cost $40 and the 3-9ss scope is $600 so you get the best for $640. I think there was a 3-9 on the sample list but it may be gone already.
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I don't have a rail on the rifle so I don't think I can use just rings.
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If your planning on shooting 300 yards you might want to consider a higher magnification scope. 3-9 is ok but personally I would want to use it for much more then 100 yards. I had a similar budget to yours and found that I could get a Weaver V24 6-24x42 scope and a Burris P.E.P.R. one peice mount (Which is in my opinion just about as good as the LaRue for a lot less money). It works as a perfect setup for my Remington R-15. The Weaver is an excellent scope and the Burris mount is a rock solid platform. You can get them both for less then $500.00. One advantage of the the Burris mount is that due to the way it is made you can move the scope farther forward the if you were to use a standard mount.
 
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Originally posted by joe_sun joe_sun wrote:

I don't have a rail on the rifle so I don't think I can use just rings.
You can select ultra high type rings or a riser rail and medium or high rings or one of several styles of one piece ring-mounts that incorporate both the riser and the rings. LaRue being the best.  Super Sniper being good enough for most applications. But yes you can use just rings.  This is a .308 with a 10x Super Sniper  on it.
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I have had a number of optics on AR rifles but the most satisfactory were the compact ACOG s because you still need to get to the charging handle so anything that makes it harder to get to becomes a problem.  With a 1.5 moa amber triangle TA442 I am shooting sub minute of angle groups at 300 yds so the precise aiming point of the triangle or a chevron can make for a very accurate aiming point.  I'd rather have the ACOG or a 2moa aimpoint Comp M4s  actually I have both but I use the ACOG's  both the 1.5x and 3x
The place where a higher power optic becomes handy is looking at the holes in the target but you can use a spotting scope instead.
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I wanted to post an update!
 
I'm excited to announce I bought my first scope, a SS 3-9 variable "package" from Ebay with the 8% cashback.
 
I was able to pickup a GG&G FLT base for $120.00 in clearance from another vendor for a total of $670.00 (after cashback) for everything.
 
Yes, it's a little more than the $500.00 budget but I think that the extra $170.00 will be well spent plus the package includes the Mildot master and the Butler Creek caps. I'll probably try to sell the SS rings it comes with to make a few bucks back.
 
Thanks for help and I can't wait to try it out!
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