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Hello to everyone.  I have been lurking today, and am fairly surprised to say the least LOL. 
All of the Leupold hate was the first thing to amaze me !  Much to learn.
 
So I am sure you guessed it ... I have questions.
 
First off, does anyone know of any reviews of the VX-3L 4.5-14x56mm Long Range anywhere ?
 
Next, does Koshkin have a website of his own ?  Seems he is the premier testing and review guy around here ...
 
lastly, I have a gun that is VERY special to me in a lot of ways ... so I want to choose the best scope I can afford for it.  My preferences / requirements are great clarity and resolution ... great low light capabilities ...  reasonable size and weight .... side focus .... must focus to 25 yds or under on the AO ... and under a grand.
 
The scopes I have been considering so far are the :
 
VX-3L 4.5-14x56mm Long Range
Bushnell 4.5-30X50 Elite 6500 w/30MM Tube Mil-Dot Reticle
Zeiss 4.5-14x50mm Conquest
 
I want to keep the magnification range in the same ball park ... and also the objective size. I would love to know if the Conquest is just THAT much better than the other two as well.
Thanks for your input and suggestions !
 
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Oops .... i also meant to say I think Leupold's cut away bottom of the Obj lens is one of the best ideas I have ever seen in a scope !
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ILya's site is here.  http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php

As far as your scope choices, those are all good scopes.  While I think the Bushnell with 30x is a little extreme, but that is just my opinion.

Most will say the Conquest will give a slight advantage in glass quality.  It would be my choice out of the 3. 

This would be my choice.  It is a better scope than all the 3 you have listed, at least glass quality wise.  http://swfa.com/Swarovski-4-12x50-Z3-Riflescope-P47244.aspx  I have a Z6 1.7-10x.  If I could afford it, Swaros would be on all my hunting guns, they are impressive.
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Oh, and welcome to the forum.  Big Grin
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

ILya's site is here.  http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php

As far as your scope choices, those are all good scopes.  While I think the Bushnell with 30x is a little extreme, but that is just my opinion.

Most will say the Conquest will give a slight advantage in glass quality.  It would be my choice out of the 3. 

This would be my choice.  It is a better scope than all the 3 you have listed, at least glass quality wise.  http://swfa.com/Swarovski-4-12x50-Z3-Riflescope-P47244.aspx  I have a Z6 1.7-10x.  If I could afford it, Swaros would be on all my hunting guns, they are impressive.
 
That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.
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Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:

Oops .... i also meant to say I think Leupold's cut away bottom of the Obj lens is one of the best ideas I have ever seen in a scope !
 
If you use QR mounts it can double as a pooper scooper..
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Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:

That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.
Why must your scope be able to made parallax-free at 25 yards?


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Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:

That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.
Why
must your scope be able to made parallax-free at 25 yards?
 
LOL ... I dreaded this question, and it sure did not take long to pop up.  I shoot a VERY powerful  non-recoiling airgun, at distances of 15 to 200 yds.  Parallax error becomes an issue if the scope can not clearly focus down to at least 25 yds.
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Also take a look at the Sightron SII Big Sky line:
 
And the SII line:
 
They have some of the best glass and features you can find in that price range.
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I meant the SIII line.
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Originally posted by FreeJersey FreeJersey wrote:

Also take a look at the Sightron SII Big Sky line:
 
And the SII line:
 
They have some of the best glass and features you can find in that price range.
 
I really do appreciate you guys !  But you are not reading my requirements quite closely enough ;-)
 
The Sightron only focuses down to 50 yds .... Will not work for me.   Thanks though
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We're not all Leupold haters, but most of us realize that there are other options just as favorable as Leupold.  It seams to me that the Leupold maybe a very good fit for your application.

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Here are a few options for you (by the way, is the gun primarily for target shooting? that effects the reticle choice), in no particular order



By the way, technically, Conquest focuses down to 30 yards, not 25.

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Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.








Why
must your scope be able to made parallax-free at 25 yards?

 
LOL ... I dreaded this question, and it sure did not take long to pop up.  I shoot a VERY powerful  non-recoiling airgun, at distances of 15 to 200 yds.  Parallax error becomes an issue if the scope can not clearly focus down to at least 25 yds.


Valid question with a perfectly valid answer.
You'll never be competitive in a 25 yard match without proper adjustment range.

Do you have an AirForce? I really dig the precharged air rifles but haven't splurged on one. With their hefty price tag I can buy a lot of 22 shorts, which are pretty quiet.
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Originally posted by anomad anomad wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.


WOW .... That Minox looks waaay cool at first glance !  I would have to have a different reticle though.
 
If I may, how would this scope compare optically to the Conquest ?






Why
must your scope be able to made parallax-free at 25 yards?

 
LOL ... I dreaded this question, and it sure did not take long to pop up.  I shoot a VERY powerful  non-recoiling airgun, at distances of 15 to 200 yds.  Parallax error becomes an issue if the scope can not clearly focus down to at least 25 yds.


Valid question with a perfectly valid answer.
You'll never be competitive in a 25 yard match without proper adjustment range.

Do you have an AirForce? I really dig the precharged air rifles but haven't splurged on one. With their hefty price tag I can buy a lot of 22 shorts, which are pretty quiet.
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Mr. Koshkin ....
 
WOW .... That Minox looks waaay cool at first glance ! I would have to have a different reticle though.
If I may, how would this scope compare optically to the Conquest ?

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Originally posted by anomad anomad wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:


That will not work for my needs though ... I MUST have adjustable objective that focuses to at least 25 yds.








Why
must your scope be able to made parallax-free at 25 yards?

 
LOL ... I dreaded this question, and it sure did not take long to pop up.  I shoot a VERY powerful  non-recoiling airgun, at distances of 15 to 200 yds.  Parallax error becomes an issue if the scope can not clearly focus down to at least 25 yds.


Valid question with a perfectly valid answer.
You'll never be competitive in a 25 yard match without proper adjustment range.

Do you have an AirForce? I really dig the precharged air rifles but haven't splurged on one. With their hefty price tag I can buy a lot of 22 shorts, which are pretty quiet.
 
Hi Anomad ...  I don't own an Airforce sir .. But i do own a custom AZ Theoben Rapid.  And I love it because I can buy 1000 of it's favorite pellets for only $15   ;-)   Add that it is just DEAD silent, and it sure is a load of fun !
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Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeJersey FreeJersey wrote:

Also take a look at the Sightron SII Big Sky line:
 
And the SII line:
 
They have some of the best glass and features you can find in that price range.
 
I really do appreciate you guys !  But you are not reading my requirements quite closely enough ;-)
 
The Sightron only focuses down to 50 yds .... Will not work for me.   Thanks though
 
The SII Big Sky line focuses down to 10 yards.
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Originally posted by JAG980 JAG980 wrote:

Hi Anomad ...  I don't own an Airforce sir .. But i do own a custom AZ Theoben Rapid.  And I love it because I can buy 1000 of it's favorite pellets for only $15   ;-)   Add that it is just DEAD silent, and it sure is a load of fun !


Very nice! I had to look that up, only being familiar with the more common air rifles.

15$/1k... that's cheaper than primers! Someone needs to buy my house, I've been selling my toys for almost 2 years. I'd rather be buying a couple new ones.
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uuhhhmm i not to sure if buying a rifle scope for an air gun the air gun recoil will jack up the scope. from what i have heard it don't matter what brand you buy. better off buy an air gun scope from some place.
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Originally posted by hunterwingler hunterwingler wrote:

uuhhhmm i not to sure if buying a rifle scope for an air gun the air gun recoil will jack up the scope. from what i have heard it don't matter what brand you buy. better off buy an air gun scope from some place.
 
It is recoilless .... PCP
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IDK must be me why waste the $$$$ for an air gun lol go buy a Gamo or BSA
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JAG, I bought a Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14 x 50mm CDS from my son's X-Bolt .300WSM.  I have a VX III 4.5-14 x 50mm on my X-Bolt 30-06.  I was really tempted to switch out scopes, but being the good father I left well enough alone.  The first day at the range was a first for both gun and scope.  What good shooting combo.  The VX-3L allowed me the use the low rings on a 50mm objective.  My scope uses the high rings.  It sure makes a different in cheek weld.  Good shooting, Tom
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I forgot one thing, make sure you are sitting down when you look at the cost of flip-up covers for VX-3L scopes.
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JAG980,
 
Take another look bro, Sightron SII Big Sky 4-16x42 with AO down to 10 yards my man. Some of the best glass in it's class from what I'm told. I've only looked through an SI and for the money it was better than the others I looked at.
 
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