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So heres my choices with my new "wife approved budget"Sad 
1) Burris Fullfield 2 4.4-14x42 (AO) Demo-C 199.00
2)Weaver Grandslam 3-10x40 (non AO) Demo-B 199.00
3)Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 (SF) Demo-B 219.00
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Hit the wrong dang button !!!
4) new Vortex Diamond back 4-12x40 ( NON AO ) 199.00
 
So they all seem like good scopes. I want a hunting/target scope. I dont care much for the Nikoplex reticle for target shooting but its the only one with side focus. I would jump on the Vortew but I have heard the eye relief is bad @ 3.4-3.1. Plus without an AO im not sure sure of the clearity at 12 power. Any thoughts....
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i've had the burris for over 12 years and love it

i don't like nikons because of their warranty

weavers warranty is about the same as nikon

and vortex has the best warranty in the business.

burris or vortex
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  I've got two GS's. A 4.75x40 and a 3-10x40.  Nice scopes.  Good optics although they give a whiteish tint to the image in low light.  Track and hold zero like a Weaver.  Eye relief leaves something to be desired (especially after using scopes in the 4" range) and on the 3-10x40 there is a big difference in e/r between 3X and 10X. 
  One thing I should mention is that these scopes were at their top optically when Blount owned Weaver.  After Weaver was sold the new owners (?) changed lense suppliers and quality dropped.  Both of mine are Blount models so I can't speak for what's available now.
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Out of those, Burris would be the choice for me.
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Good info on the weavers..thanks. I wasnt aware there was some changes at the company. I do like the burris and im sure even a demo-c would be fine but its tough to beat the Vortex warranty. as far as glass goes which would be better ?
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I have 2 Burris 4X14 scopes and like them. I paid well over $199 and I still like them. I would jump on it for $199.YippeeExcellent
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Yeah. 200 is a good price. I probably sound like a penny pinchin SOB asking questions about a scope in that range. I used to spend a whole hell of alot more than that at the bar way back when......sure was fun though.  
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Out of those, Burris would be the choice for me.

+1  The FFII has better glass that the Diamondback in my opinion by a good margin.  Now the Viper might be different, but out of the scopes you list, Burris is my first choice.
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Burris FFII 4.5-14x42 would be my choice by far. In fact, I have one and love it. 
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my 4.5-14 was $323 at wholesale 12 years ago.
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Well I would say I am gettin the burris then. I hope they have one left on the Samplelist. I do appreciate everyones input. Is that your muley Bitteroot ? Did ya mount it ?
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I like the Buckmaster. I had the very same scope on a .300 RUM and it worked great.  
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You know that was my first choice till I saw the Nikoplex reticle. IMO its a little too bulky. But a side focus would be nice.
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Originally posted by Staedy Aim Staedy Aim wrote:

  IMO its a little too bulky.

Isn't this a hunting reticle too? I shot some teeny tiny groups with my BM. Wink

I didn't think it was "bulky". YMMV though.  
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Yes it will be for hunting and target shooting. I have a duplex on my elk gun and usually just range and then holdover if needed. I guess I was thinking the ballistic reticle would be a nice change.
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This would be a good 200 dollar scope as well.
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-3-9x40-Elite-4200-Rifle-Scope-P51666.aspx
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Bushnell 3-9x40 Elite Rifle Scope Bushnell 3-9x40 Elite Rifle Scope
Stock # - BUSE3940SF
  • Matte
  • Multi-X
  • 1"
  • Rainguard HDThunbs Up
  • Side Focus
  • Ultra-Wide Band Coating
  • Argon Purging Process
$199.99 


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Originally posted by Staedy Aim Staedy Aim wrote:

Yes it will be for hunting and target shooting. I have a duplex on my elk gun and usually just range and then holdover if needed. I guess I was thinking the ballistic reticle would be a nice change.
Sometimes the balistic reticle is helpful, but sometimes it causes people to miss because most dont realize that the marks on the reticle represent a different distance at every different power with a second focal plane scope. Dialing in correction with tactical knobs is the most accurate way to compensate for long range trajectory issues. If a guy has a balistic reticle he usually zeroes the center X at 100 or at 200 then the lines below should be approximately a hundred yards more for each mark but that is at the maximum power of the scope. With variable power scopes where you need to dial down the power to brighten the scope in low light you may be working about 6x rather than 9x or 12 x in low light. If you do go with a balistic reticle you need to spend time on the range at different distances while using both max power and also when at 6x or what ever power you will use while stalking or shooting off hand.
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Very good info Urimaginaryfrnd. I have read up on the whole FFP/SFP thing so I know what your saying. I think the scope will probably stay in a low power setting for hunting due to the limited range of the caliber. When punching paper under good conditions I can play around with it until I get the feel for it. I have heard good things about the elites but wouldnt a 3-9 be a little under powered for hitting paper at 500 yrds ?
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Originally posted by Staedy Aim Staedy Aim wrote:

  but wouldnt a 3-9 be a little under powered for hitting paper at 500 yrds ?


No, it would be similar to looking at a target without any magnification at 55yds.

The Bushnell would be my first choice by far.
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Just looked at that sparky....very nice scope. There is also a 3-9 x 50 elite on the samplelist for 189.00 It isnt the raingaurd hd though. Is the HD that much better ? I have heard alot of mixed stuff about the firefly reticle. Arnt the Bushnells rated at 95% light tranmission ? I think the Nikons were at 91%. anyone know were the Burris ranks ?
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If you hunt in bad weather I would want the rainguard, but that is just me. I have not used the firefly reticle, so I could not comment on that. And as far as light transmission goes, I do not use that for comparisons since to my knowledge the way they do that testing is not standardized. If it is not standardized there is no way to compare one manufacture's results to another.
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Yes I do occasionally hunt in snow and rain. Nothing worse than having your scope unusable when a huge piece of meat walks by. On that gun there is the 40.00 simmons that came with it so at this point anything will be an improvement !
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