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so if you need a muzzle break what kind is the best to have??
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Good question for I have had three 1.vais 2.Williams 3.weatherby got rid of them all they just made more noise instead I went with limb savers recoil pads ,just as good that is if recoil is your reasoning .cheaper as well!  
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my .300 win mag came with the boss and i hated it, i shot a mule deer with it once, and i was instantly deaf for about an hour, i talked to my ffl and told him what happened he said ,well lets order a boss cr for it and i did and i never took it off that rifle after that, does the gentry quiet brake really work?
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Never tried the gentry?
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its interesting to see the nature of the word describing the device change in the last 10 years. the device is a brake not a break-- however from a physics point of view there is no braking function going- which would require an acceleration (de-acceleration) in the opposite direction. they do break the directions or forward momentum of the expanding gases. the best muzzle breaks are sound suppressors, the best open brakes are the loudest, sense this means that the device is redirecting the most gases. the amt. available and the amt. of recoil reduction is a function of that percentage of discharge mass associated with the weight of the powder charge. this assumes 100% efficiency in a machine which never happens but gives a good rule of thumb. as an example a 300 win mag with a total ejecta mass of bullet plus power-- say 210 gr and 70 grs or 280 grs would have available 70/210 percent by eliminating the gases.
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In my experience the Magna-Port is the least obnoxious and the Answer Products the worst. I can't stand the things for hunting. They hurt my ears.
I have always felt that if someone can't handle the recoil from a heavy hitter, they will have to forget hunting certain animals.
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my thoughts are either make the rifle heavier or slow it down and lighten the bullets up
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the tighter the dams the louder and more efficient the muzzle brake . hunters usually don't hunt with hearing protection so the shock impulse hitting the ears is higher. (obviously) they are used alot in competitive events where critical eye relief in a high mag scope and recoil velocity collide. in 3 guns matches they reduce the torque moment around the recoil pivot point allowing the shooter to get back on target faster

if one thinks the stories about different scopes being clearer,  brighter, cleaner, sharper, shorter, longer, heavier, more accurate, the stories about brakes causing 50%,75%,90% reduction in recoil are even more entertaining.

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i suspect the effective % is 40% or less.
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Using Limbsavers or doing a recoil pad conversion, is better than having a muzzle brake with added noise and flash. Not a fan of muzzle brakes. 
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im not either, but if that was a last resort i just wanted to know who makes the quietest one out there.
 
i think if i get one, now is the time to "cowboy up"
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Hey pyro
 
That gunsmith's name I gave you on the PM is the guy who can cut one of these into a barrel
 
 
It is the quietest I have used and the most effective.  Of course with no equipment to test that has to be just labeled as my opinion.
 
I have shot a lot of BOSS's on Brownings and a lot of these Briley Brakes
 
 
and the cut in muzzle brake in the top pic is the best so far.
 
You can also install recoil suppressors in the stock, either mechanical like these
 
or mercury like these
 
I recently did a DIY job by just bedding in 2 into a stock
 
the recoil suppressors will alter the balance of your rifle unless you have a heavy barrel like the 26" #5 contour I put on the rifle in question.  Then the barrel weight will offset the recoil suppressors in the stock.  Makes my 338 RUM kick less than my lightweight 30-06, but it does seem like more of an "event" when that 338 goes off though!  WOW
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hmm thats some cool stuff, i will remember that.
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My opinion is the best brake, or break, which ever you prefer, hands down is the one thats not on my rifle, and being shot a long ways from my ears. I got tinnitus (a constant ringing in my ears) probably from a Browning with BOSS. I don't care for any of them.
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I like the cheese grater looking one ...not a fan of the noise-but that one is interesting looking
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I am not a fan of these devices either.  I have shot several rifles that had them installed and was glad that I was using hearing protection at the time.  I would definitely go the route of better recoil pad/other recoil reduction methods first - if you value your hearing.  I think that "quiet" is a relative term when speaking of these devices.
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Great post, sakomato!  You're very good at providing just the right pic at the right moment!
Excellent
 
As for brakes, I don't care for them either, but of those I tried, I prefer the VAIS.  It is very effective, and isn't as ugly when installed as some other brake designs.
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i would be very intrested in trying one of those recoil suppressors they look simple enough that they may just work very well
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Bang for the buck, no pun intended, is the Limbsaver pads.  On one gun I have the boss, and it's too loud.  But the Limbsaver has made a noticable improvement on my 7mag.
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i had a boss on my .300 and like i said i took it off and maybe the noise made a difference, but after i put the cr adapter on i still really didnt feel any change in recoil, i have tried the limbsaver and it does work! i would however like to try the combo of the instock mercury recoil reducer with the limbsaver and see what happens.
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I shoot (at) turkeys with a Benelli Nova that has a mercury system in the stock.  Again, with the CompNChoke Turkey x x full and the mercury, it makes a perceived difference in felt recoil with 3 and a half turkey loads.  It's interesting also that chokes with braking built in for shotguns don't have the same sound issues perceptually as the rifles--although obviously the powder burns and muzzle velocities are so different.
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I have rifles with and without brakes, both are loud and both require hearing protection.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I have rifles with and without brakes, both are loud and both require hearing protection.
no kidding! i wear custom made ear plugs in the field and at the range. and i usually wear them all day at work no matter what im doing.
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I like the one trigger uses .No No
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I have BOSS muzzle brakes (it is muzzle brake as in puts a brake on recoil, not as in breaks the muzzle...however, it could signify "break your eardrums") on 30-06 BAR and 7mmMag Stalker.  I also have the BOSS CR's for hunting.  There is a difference of about 30%.  The real utility of the BOSS is the vibration damping.  Improves my BAR to a 1/2MOA rifle.  The Stalker is a bit better.  However, it does take a bit of "tuning".  One can spend a day and LOTS of ammo getting to the optimum adjustment.  The BOSS also tends to loosen on my BAR... I have to check it every time I shoot it.  The Stalker does not.  
I had a custom 30-06 that was Magna-Ported by Magna-Port... it was excellent.  Great recoil reduction and not TOO much additional noise.  I don't remember what the cost of Magna-Port was, Riflewerks had it done in building the rifle, but believe it was on the order of $300.  That was a marvelous rifle, but it was "too pretty" to hunt with.  
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