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Looking to upgrade the scope on my TC Omega, current scope is a Bushnell Trophy Muzzleloader scope 1.75-4x32. 
 
Budget is about $125
 
Considering
Weaver 40/44 3-9x40 ~$115
Sightron SI 3-9x40 ~$110
Simmons Aetec 2.8-10x44 ~$80, $60 after rebate
 
Any other suggestions?  The thought is to upgrade to better glass and more magnification...I am sure it is debateable if that is necessary for a muzzle loader
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Because I've had experience with it I can suggest the Aetec. A Weaver would do if you go with the Grand Slam but, that blows your budget. I've heard good talk about the Sightron but haven't used one before. I've had the Aetec on several different cals. and the muzzle loader and it performs great. It is currently on my 444 with a Stoney Point elevation turret and will probably stay there from now on. I can dial it out to a 300yd. shot and back to 100yds. and it tracks perfectly. Let us know what you go with.
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Do you want or need that much power (and weight) on a muzzle loader? This is a good one and its cheap.
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Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

Do you want or need that much power (and weight) on a muzzle loader? This is a good one and its cheap.


No I really probably don't need it. I hunt in a lot of low light woods with areas where you can see 200 + yards a good powerful scope is always handy. I hadn't given consideration to the weight because the gun is pretty barrel heavy. The Simmons you suggest seems like it would be a step down from the bushnell trophy currently have.
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More power doesnt equal more light. All factors being equal it means less. Lots of folks on here are raving about the Vorex. I dont own one so I dont personally know. They make good binoculars though.
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TX----if at all possible, I would try to stretch your budget just a tad.
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Nikon Omega 1.65-5x36  is $199


I have the 3-9x40 Nikon Omega on my TC Triumph ML and LOVE it. It is a NICE scope, and its made to handle the hard recoil of the ML, so you don;t have to worry about losing zero. If you could stretch your budget, you won't be disappointed with the Nikon and the above link has a tad more magnification than you currently have. Hope this helps---Bboy623

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or as Tejas suggested, the 2-7x36 Vortex Viper for $169 is also a good deal!


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I had a feeling that I might end up needing to extend the budget a bit.  The Simmons Aetec at $60 is awfully attractive but I have read some horror stories on them.  Dave Petzal had a rave review on the Weaver 40/44 a year or so back, I believe he had it as a best buy in the category.
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i can only recommend the nikon omega also just from experience with it.
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Ok, I know I am on a tangent a little here but I found some information on the Weaver 40/44. Apparently it is the exact same scope as the Intensity optics scope which can be had for much less $. Can anyone confirm this?
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Originally posted by TxRzrBk TxRzrBk wrote:

Ok, I know I am on a tangent a little here but I found some information on the Weaver 40/44. Apparently it is the exact same scope as the Intensity optics scope which can be had for much less $. Can anyone confirm this?


Rumor was that the Federal/Intensity Optics/ Weaver 40/44s are the old pre-Master series Simmons .44 Mag and Aetec designs (the design variant after they moved production from the Phillippines to China,but before Meade redesigned them as the Master series and then sold Simmons to ATK). ATK owns all of those companies now, so it's very possible that the Intensity Optics and the Weaver 40/44s are the same scope,though I suspect only someone from ATK could answer that. Quite likely they are using the old designs as the new cheaper line of product,similar to how Nikon's old "Buckmaster" series of scopes became the current Pro-Staff series when they upgraded the Buckmasters to the current configuration.

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Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:


Rumor was that the Federal/Intensity Optics/ Weaver 40/44s are the old pre-Master series Simmons .44 Mag and Aetec designs (the design variant after they moved production from the Phillippines to China,but before Meade redesigned them as the Master series and then sold Simmons to ATK).


Sounds like a real piece of junk that I don't want to own.  I am going to look at the Vortex and possibly the 2-7 Redfield when I get a chance.
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Originally posted by TxRzrBk TxRzrBk wrote:

Looking to upgrade the scope on my TC Omega, current scope is a Bushnell Trophy Muzzleloader scope 1.75-4x32. 
 
Budget is about $125
 
Considering
Weaver 40/44 3-9x40 ~$115
Sightron SI 3-9x40 ~$110
Simmons Aetec 2.8-10x44 ~$80, $60 after rebate
 
Any other suggestions?  The thought is to upgrade to better glass and more magnification...I am sure it is debateable if that is necessary for a muzzle loader

While more magnification may be debatable better glass quality is not. One of my more expensive scopes resides on top of my muzzleloader due to the type of hunting I do with it. I had to many issues with lesser scopes due to the tricks light can play in the timbered creek bottoms that I hunt with my muzzleloader. If I didn't already have a good quality 1.5-6 scope I would buy the 2-7 Vortex Viper. That scope is 2 or 3 steps above anything else you are looking at for not much more (and in some cases less) money. 



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Thanks - now is the Viper the only Vortex worth looking at or are there lesser Vortex models that I might be happy with.  
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The Crossfire and Diamondback series are also good scopes and I have both in other power ranges as well as a 4-12 Viper. The thing is right now with the Viper being priced where it is it's just hard to pass up their top line hunting scope when their lower end Crossfire is $115.00 for the 2-7 and the midrange Diamondback 2-7 now cost more at $190.00 than the top end 2-7 Viper which has been discounted to $170.00. 



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I understand, with that explanation the Viper would be the one to buy in the Vortex line. 

Problem is that this puts me withing $10 (after tax :|) of a 3-9x40 of a Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly.  I have a Elite 3200 and a 4200 already so I know they are good scopes.  Do you think the Viper is better even considering the rainguard and the firefly?
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I can tell you that the Viper competes directly with the 4200. However, I do not have a-lot of time behind the Bushnell's so hopefully someone else that has used both will chime in with some comparisons.

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I went for the Vortex Viper 2-7x32 with BDC.  I didn't find anyone who could directly comment on the comparison between the Elite 3200 and the Viper but...I could not find a single negative thing said about the Vortex so I figure I am going to like it. 

I own an Elite 4200 3-9x40, Elite 3200 3-9x40 and a FFII 3-9x40, once I get it setup I will post some pictures as well as a comparison of the 3 scopes.  If the Vortex is good enough it might be able to bump the 4200 off of my Tikka - we shall see.

anyone interested in a Bushnell 1.75-4x32 circle-x used twice in mint condition please let me know, will make you a smoking deal :)
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I think you will be happy with the Viper. As I stated previously I have verry little experience with the Bushnell's but I've owned a number of 3-9 FFII's and while they are good solid scopes they are not in the same league as the Viper when it comes to glass quality. 

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Got an e-mail today that the Viper BDC is out of stock and no longer available.  Maybe the V-Plex will work.  I was interested in the hold over points, thought they would be helpful beyond a hundred yards with the muzzle loader.
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Just talked to the good folks at SWFA, said the order will be filled in 10-14 days :)
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I got the scope and got it mounted yesterday.  I wanted to thank you all for the advice, I am extremely pleased with the scope.  I compared it to my Elite 4200 and it is pretty close but I think the 4200 still edges it out.

I find that every time I mount a new scope I tinker with it for several days before I get it right.  If anyone has a better method please let me know.

Thanks again
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