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I am buying scopes for about 15 hunting rifles. I been away from shooting for about 15 years now just reading about it. I always used leopold scopes on my rifles with no problems and never gave scopes much thought. Now I want some very good scopes for my rifles. My rifles are mostly bolt action from 7mm mag to 375 ultra mag with 3 rem pumps and 2 bars. I am more of a gun collector than a hunter but when I do hunt it is for boar and black bear under all conditions and ranges from 0 to 350 yards. I was going to scope most of these rifles with leopold vx3 in 2.5-8x32 1.5-5x20 1.75-6 and 3.5-10x40. I know some consider the nikon monarch as good or better than the leopold vx3 at a much lower price. I am thinking of putting   monarch 2-8x32 1-4x20 african and 2.5-10x40 on some of my rifles  if they are a very good scope. What do you think of these monarch models for reliablity durability and optics. You said you had good results with one brand of scope until they moved their factory and bad results afterwards. Was that brand nikon. My upper limit is 500 dollars  per scope but if some very good scopes are less money thats great. Other scopes being considered are burris fll 2-7x35 or 3-9x40 zeiss conquest 3-9x40 and the bushnell 2.5-10x40.  4200 elite. All opinions are wellcome. Thanks for your help.
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For the money I just don't think you can beat the Bushnell 4200 Elite, they are a top quality scope at a very fair price. However so far I am having good luck with my Burris Fullfield II with BDC type reticle.

I have returned more Nikons and Trijicons for repair than all other brands combined. I have had virtually no problems with Leupold VX II, VX III and VX 3 and none at all with any Bushnell product.

Most of the problems seem to start happening when I put a scope on a .300WM or larger caliber. Very little problems with scopes on my .308s and .30-06s.
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Originally posted by 1911man 1911man wrote:

For the money I just don't think you can beat the Bushnell 4200 Elite, they are a top quality scope at a very fair price. However so far I am having good luck with my Burris Fullfield II with BDC type reticle.

I have returned more Nikons and Trijicons for repair than all other brands combined. I have had virtually no problems with Leupold VX II, VX III and VX 3 and none at all with any Bushnell product.

Most of the problems seem to start happening when I put a scope on a .300WM or larger caliber. Very little problems with scopes on my .308s and .30-06s.


Heavy recoil quickly differentiates the strong from the weak.

A few years back, I contacted Swaro, Zeiss, and Trijicon to ask about putting their 1" tube scopes on magnum rifles; at that time, Swaro and Zeiss has nothing with a 1" tube should go on a magnum (since then, another OT member contacted them and was told "no problem with 1" tube on magnum rifles", but I still prefer to err on the side of caution.)  Swaro said no 1" tube on magnum, Trijicon said, "no problem."

A light-weight 300WM can quickly tell if a scope is well made and durable or not.  My lightest 300WM (a GAP non-typical hunter) weights in at about 8 pounds and it is topped with a Zeiss Victory 3-12 and is going strong.


When I'm on a $7,000 guided elk hunt is not when I want to find that I should'a spent a few hundred more to get a scope that could handle the rifle's recoil.
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boliodogs,

There are a bunch of good scopes on the market these days. It sounds like you will be scoping harder kickers, so first I'll look at some of the scopes available and then make some comments about scopes for harder recoiling rifles.

I did have some problems with Nikon Monarchs after they moved the manufacturing 2-3 years ago, and don't know if they have been resolved. Before that I had very good luck with Nikon Monarchs, and have my older ones on rifles still. My one problem with some Monarchs has been rather short 1" tubes and eye relief on some models, which made mounting difficult on some rifles.

I have always had very good luck with the Bushnell Elites, including their previous incarnations going back to the Balvar days 20 years ago. They've always been very good optically and quite tough.

The Burris scopes in general are also darn good. In particular I've had a Signature Safari 1.75-5x32 on a number of hard-kicking rifles from .350 Remington Magnum to .416 Rigby and it just keeps rolling along. The Fullfields II's are one of the best bargains around, in my opinion, and I've had them  on rifles up to .300 Weatherby Magnum with no problems.

The Zeiss Conquests are also quite tough and good optically. I had a minor hand in Zeiss changing the interior design in the beginning, when an early 3-9x broke on one of my .375's. They analyzed my scope and made some changes that worked. The Conquests have been tough hunting scopes ever since.
 
I have tested a couple of the new VX-3's and think they are the best mid-price scopes Leupold has offered for a while. They have precise adjustments,andvery good glass, and have held up very well on .300 magnums.
 
I have had less than sterling experiences with some other well-known brands that some people really like, but may have just had bad luck.
 
For harder-kicking rifles it is handy to have as much eye relief as possible for a conventionally mounted scope. When shooting off the bench somewhat less eye relief can be used, because everything is level and we can concentrate on really holding onto the rifle (I tend to use Elmer Keith's method of also holding onto the forend, with my hand right behind the front bag, when shooting light .300 magnums or any rifle from .338 up).
 
But when in the field we may be shooting uphill, which brings the eye closer to the scope. We also may not be able to hold onto the rifle as surely as when bench-shooting, for various reasons. Thus I like more 3 inches of eye relief at any magnification. In that regard the Zeiss Conquest and Leupold VX-3 stand out from the other scopes just mentioned.
 
Also, both scopes have pretty constant eye relief. The two VX-3's I've tested so far have both been 3.5-10x40's and eye relief has only varied 4/10ths of an inch from 3.5 to 10x, from 3.3 to 3.7 inches. The 3-9x40 Conquest I have on hand varies 2/10ths when turned from 3x to 9x. There are, of course, a wide range of VX-3 and Conquest models made.
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Thanks everyone for the great information. Most of my rifles with more recoil than 300 wm have a gentry brake so they do not kick to bad. I have a 375 cz and 35 whelen pump and 300 wm tikka light all without the brake so they kick a bit. Eye relief is important to me so I Checked a few scopes at the store with a ruler from a full field at high and low power to my glasses. VX3 and conquest had the most like John said. Monarch was next then burris fll all over 3 inches but the burris not much over 3 inches. Bushnell 3200 3-9 was to short for me at under 3 inches. I also weigh scopes when I can and often find the catalog weight to be off by up to 3 ounces. All things being equal I perfer lighter scopes. The leupold are always the lightest the conquest weighed just under 1lb. The bushnell 3-9 was more than ounce over catalog weight at over 14 ounces and the fll came in at just over 13 ounces in  the 3-9x40 just as there catalog says. So far it sounds like burris or zeiss may go on my rifles that do not not get v3s.  nikon monarchs have great specs but some of you do not trust them.
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if you have had good luck with Leupolds, then stick with them.  they are a fine scope and every one that I have owned has done well, without a problem.  everbody is always looking for a better brand, but they always have the best selection of models for various applications, they are proven to be durable and regardless of what anybody says, their optics are good, maybe not the best, but close to the best.  Heck, for 200 dollars you can find optics close to the best, but without all the other accoutrements.
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Originally posted by boliodogs boliodogs wrote:

Thanks everyone for the great information. Most of my rifles with more recoil than 300 wm have a gentry brake so they do not kick to bad. I have a 375 cz and 35 whelen pump and 300 wm tikka light all without the brake so they kick a bit. Eye relief is important to me so I Checked a few scopes at the store with a ruler from a full field at high and low power to my glasses. VX3 and conquest had the most like John said. Monarch was next then burris fll all over 3 inches but the burris not much over 3 inches. Bushnell 3200 3-9 was to short for me at under 3 inches. I also weigh scopes when I can and often find the catalog weight to be off by up to 3 ounces. All things being equal I perfer lighter scopes. The leupold are always the lightest the conquest weighed just under 1lb. The bushnell 3-9 was more than ounce over catalog weight at over 14 ounces and the fll came in at just over 13 ounces in  the 3-9x40 just as there catalog says. So far it sounds like burris or zeiss may go on my rifles that do not not get v3s.  nikon monarchs have great specs but some of you do not trust them.

A couple of comments:

-Bushnell Elite 4200 has a bit more eye relief than the Elite 3200 of the same configuration.
-Leupold VX-3 is a very nice scope, but I find that I am a bit bothered by how much the eyerelief changes from low to high magnification.  It seems to bother some people while others do not care.  Make sure you are OK with it.
-New Nikon Monarchs (there was a recent redesign) seem to have more eye relief than the old ones.  Which one did you look at?

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The monarch I looked at in the store was a 2.5-10x42. It weighed 15 plus ounces about the same as a zeiss conquest 3-9x40. The eye relief seemed pretty good. The zeiss had the best eye relief of all the scopes I saw in the store. Before I joined this forum I had already ordered 4 scopes. The scopes came yesterday so I checked them out.vx33.5-10x40 weighed about 12.4 ounces on my scale that I think is reasonably accurate. The eye relief on this scope seemed ok but not as much as my older leupolds. I did not see much difference between high  power and low power eye relief. vx3 2.5-8x36 weighed 11.3 ounces and eye relief seemed just like the 3.5-10. Monarch 2-8x32 weighed 13.1 ounces and the eye relief seemed a little better than the vx3s. A monarch african 1-4x20 weighed 11.9 ounces. The eye relief on the african very good and longer than any of the other scopes. It seemed to have as much eye relief as the ziess conquest I checked at the store. This african seems well designed for its purpose. The 1 power seems a true 1 and the 4 power a full 4. I had a vxlll 1-5x20 that I got on sale and it weighed 9 ounces. The eye relief on this 1.5-5 was more than any other scopes but a little less than the african and the conquest. At low power the field of view on the african seemed about 35 percent wider than the vxlll 1.5-5.
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that's good news on the 1-4 Monarch
I have been waiting to hear a review on one
so, it really seemd to be a true 1 x?

that's awesome
did you get to check it in low light against the VXIII 1.5-20?



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I have not looked through any of these scopes in low light yet. I have really never done a test like that before myself but I have been reading about low light testing. Up until recently I never gave low light performance any thouILLght. Now I am starting to understand how important it is. I am new to this type of test but I will give it a try soon and let you know if I notice a difference.

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low light testing is to me everything
just about all scopes look good in the daylight
I have been quite surprised with a few scopes that looked very sharp and clear in the day and as darkness fell they really showed their weaknesses


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I took the vxlll 1.5-5 and the african 1-4 outside last night with both set at 3 power. I looked at many different things at a variaty of distances and lighting with both scopes. I could see no real difference between the scopes and I would call it a tie. Perhaps  a more scientific test would have produced a winner. The heavy posts in the african reticle are very heavy but the thin part in the center is very thin. Thiner than the vxlll I think.
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