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Just got a Zeiss Diavari 6x-24x. Need to buy rings for it. I would like to preserve the scopes finish. Are the Burris Signature rings any good. They look like a good system, however, I am curious on what the popular opinion is on mounting a scope and not getting it all marked up. Does anyone care, are there other rings other that do the same thing?
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The Burris Signature rings were first marketed under the name Posi-Align and they were designed to solve a problem.  People quickly started using them for the reason you mention so Burris changed their name and marketed them a little different.

 

Personally I do not like them because it is just adding one more piece to the mounting equation.  One more thing that could wear, break, get mis-aligned, be installed improperly, etc.  A minute movement at the mount level translates to a major movement at 100 yards.

 

While I do not know of any cases to support my dislike of the Signature mounts, I can tell you that over 90% of the problems we see with people having "scope" problems are actually "mount" problems.

 

I am a huge fan of Talley's Lightweight Aluminum scope mounts because the ring and base are one piece.

 

Quality rings do not put ring marks on quality scopes.  You have to have a scope who's tube is precisely manufactured to be perfectly round and exactly the dimension it is supposed to be.  Same for the rings.  When you have both, you will not have ring marks.  If you are not sure about the rings, lapping them won't hurt.

 

Here is an example of a cheap scope that will ring mark no matter what you do.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3237&KW=br ady

 

Note: 1" = 25.4 mm

 



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Thanks, I think I will go with the Talley's then. Do you know what height I should use for mounting the Zeiss 6X-24X (56mm) scope on a Kimber Longmaster rifle. I would like to be able to get Butler Creek flip up covers on the scope after mounting

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High, for sure.
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Any reason not to go with Leupold's I don't live in an area where I have stores with large selections. I can go to a local store and trial an error the Leupolds for height.
The Talley's I really like, but height is going to be hit and miss. I am sure the height will be high or extra high. But it will probably cost me some shipping costs to find
out. This is for a Zeiss Divari scope on a kimber longmaster rifle. I want to finish it off right. Other than looks do any of the rings really offer anything unique?
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Here is a post that will help you in determining proper ring height.

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5946&PN=1& amp;TPN=1

 

Keep in mind that Leupold's high is different than Burris' high, etc. etc.  There is nothing wrong with Leupold mounts, the Redfield style system has been around for a very long time, unchanged.  I would recommend doing it locally for the same reasons you mentioned.

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I would recomend you to mount the scope tilted like the manual recomends.

As there is 3 turns on the height adjustment, it's easyest for your self in the future to stay on the first turn.

And if you wish to shoot on very long ranges you need to stay on the lower turns to give sufficient height adjustment for long range.

 

I usally adjust the rings for the scope to get everything right.

So many guns are so inconsistent that you can never trust a mount height chart anyway.

Often the barrel is tilted in one direction and the reciver in another.......

 

Regards Technika

 

Ps. I have one ZF6-24 in Recknagel/apel swingmount, and one ZF6-24 in ARMS mounts.

 

 

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How do I mount it tilted? I had it mounted with the kimber bases & leupold mounts. It took most of my "Up" elevation adjustment to get zeroed at 200 yards. So I
assume it has to be tilted up. can this be done with the base/mount set-up I have.


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Yes. it's simple, just have someone to machine the underside of the front ring off enough and then lap the rings togheter.

But you'r current front base us most likely to low, but  you can also buy a higher rearbase (not standard) or have one machined up for you and mount that instead.

 

Regards Technika

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can it be shimed? will the rings still need to be lapped? Will a 20 MOA rail and new mounts fix the problem altogether? By the way it's nice to talk to someone that
appreciates Zeiss. Not to much mention of Zeiss when discussing the high end scopes.
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Hi

 

I guess that 20 MOA rail will fix the problem.

But it's just a guess cause so many guns have so much "built in" tilt betwen the action and the barrel as well as in the top of the action, so nooone can really say for sure.

 

I have two ZF6-24x72 that I have bought after i did a test with one.

It's simply the best optics i tried so far.....

 

In my opinion there is very few cases when rings not should be lapped.

In all cases where you have two rings on separate bases there is lapping needed.

 

Regards Technika



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