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nikon primos 3x9 for 199.95,bushnell elite 2.5 x10x40 for 299.95,zeiss conquest 3x9 x40 for 399.95,super sniper 3x9 for 599.95 and kahles cl 3x9x42 for 599.99 which is the most scope for the money? also which is the best?
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Just on quality of the glass your list looks OK. As for best, it will depend on what style of shooting are you doing? Most of the scopes here do a similar job with the exception of the Super Sniper. It has a lot of additional features FFP, MIL/MIL, Exposed dials and heavy duty, just to name a few of the extra features. The use of the tool usually decides which tool to use.  List could be made that would put each of these scopes as best for the use and conditions.
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Value wise   look at the 3x9 4200 Elite for low to mid $200 range
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Need to know the purpose before you can say the best of your list...  Like 3_tens said. it will make a difference.
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i am buying this scope for hunting . i am mostly concerned with glass quality and being dependable .but having target knob or holder over reticle would be a plus.so is a elite worth a 100 over a primos ,is a conquest worth a 100 over a elite and so on.
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for a hunting scope a bushnell elite is nice simply because of the rainguard feature
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 Don't know about the Elite over the Primos but the many comparisons going around say the Elite is REAL CLOSE in overall performance to the Conquest but lacks the eye relief if used on a HARD kicker.
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As much as I dislike the BDC reticle in the Nikon, I still believe it offers the best value per dollar spent.  That being said, I personally would choose the Conquest, but it's your money and your decision.
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Hey Cowski


What you looking at putting the scope on? and what type of hunting are we talking about? If you drive out to the lease and walk 100-200 yards to a stand by a feeder, the total weight and objective size don't mean as much as to you as the guy who has to hump it through the bush and thickets for a mile or so. 

Of the scopes on your list I've looked through the Bushnell and the Zeiss. The Zeiss to me was clearer and had better eye relief. "$150.00 better, well to me that would have to be a HUGE difference, and it wasn't to me, but I'm a tight wad"

I hunt. I like simple scopes that are clear, easy to use, light weight, and have good light transmission. I pretty much always have to compromise on what I want vs what is practical because I have too many rifles to put great scopes on all of them. Of the scopes I've bought recently, the best buy was the Burris Timberline for $120 "on sale" followed by the Vortex Diamondback for $199. I spent more on a Nikon and a couple of Millets, but felt the best about what I got for what I spent with these.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Diamondback-Rifle-Scope-P11238.aspx

http://swfa.com/Burris-3-9x32-Timberline-Rifle-Scope-P11002.aspx


Both of those are mounted on guns I'll be carrying into the woods to harvest game. 


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Cowski,
 
Best optically is Kahles CL.  Close behind is Zeiss Conquest.  SS 3-9X is supposedly in the same class optically as Bushnell Elite, but I haven't used that particular SS for any length of time.  The SS would be the best choice for a tactical rifle or dialing in long range dope, given the mil / mil turrets and reticle.  Primos is perhaps the best value for what you get given the current price, with Bushnell Elite right there with it.
 
You're likely to be very happy with any you listed.  That's a tough decision, as I could make a compelling case for all of them for one reason or another.  I'm partical to Kahles CL for a pure big game hunting rifle.
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I think all are the best in their price class for their intended application. You will not touch another tactical scope near the quality of the S.S. for that price. Same can be said for hunting scopes in the price ranges of those you listed. At $200 my opinion is that the Primos is about as good as it gets. As you go up in price, the glass gets a little better, but for a little more money I think the Bushnell is the best in it's price range too. If you pass that, you'd be hard pressed to beat the Conquest at $400 All the scopes you listed are great for their price, and all will probably do the job you ask. Ted pretty much summed up the quality, and I agree with his analysis. You just need to figure out how much you want to spend, and when spending more to get a little more isn't worth it. I draw the line at the Conquest level, but if the budget allows someday, I'd like to own a Kahles. I also own a Primos, and for $200 find it is a great value. It's not a Conquest, but very nice, and half the price.
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I agree with Ted on this one. He has nailed it. If you are talking about hunting scope I would watch the sample list for a good used Kahles, and get a great bargain in that area. For hunting there really isn't any need for the knobs and reticle of the tactical type scopes. So primarily look at the glass quality, which will be a huge benefit to you during those crucial twilight minutes.
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What I will say for a quality tactical scope is that they are:

1) Generally built more rugged (but also are heavier) and track better
2) Are good for shots beyond max. point blank range...

...But max. point blank range is plenty for most people (300 yards or more) and certainly more than adequate for ethical shots on game. Despite having switched to tactical scopes, I wouldn't consider a shot over 400 yards and that only on an antelope with a .308. However, I shoot out to 600 or more now and it makes shots under 300 feel much easier.
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the scopes listed are what i consider the best buys for a hunting scope today.i know the ss is kind of out of place but i am considering it along with the others.koskin likes the wide field of view it offers i might too.i am mainly going to hunt coyotes with it,on open fields that can reach a half mile wide or a few feet.the coyotes are mostly movin .one thing i would like you too consider is eye placement,i think this is called the eye box,i would  consider the biggest one a plus.sometimes i have to take a snap shot.before i found this site i would have got another leupold.but now i am going to try something different.on the primos ,i have a monarch it is not as forgiving of eye placement or field of view as a leupold.as i have only looked through a 4200 and conquest in the store i have not formulated an opinion.i never have seen a ss.so i am depending on y'all to set me straight . thanks for all replies.
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p s with current equipment i make shots up to 425 yds ,with a target knob or holdover reticle i may make it too 500.it would increase my percentage on 350 +. thanks again.
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Kahles I believe again has the more forgiving eye box.
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For me the super sniper is a little heavy for hunting purposes. I would look into more of the zeiss, kahles, or for a little cheaper route the elite series......
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 Don't know about the Elite over the Primos but the many comparisons going around say the Elite is REAL CLOSE in overall performance to the Conquest but lacks the eye relief if used on a HARD kicker.

while true on paper, the fact is that if you use proper technique the 4200 is fine even on hard kickers, i had my 3x9 4200 on my .375H&H last season, while i never used it above 6x i never got smacked.

if the conquest had loutec ( zeiss's version of rainguard) i wouldnt buy anything but conquests, optically all three are close, i give the zeiss the nod in low light levels. pretty tough call otherwise heads up.
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  "while true on paper, the fact is that if you use proper technique the 4200 is fine even on hard kickers"
 
  "but lacks the eye relief if used on a HARD kicker"  I shoulda added "in some odd shooting positions you may encounter while hunting."
  
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I hear you 300. In January I hunted in a box stand designed by sadistic midgets. You didn't have enough room to change anything more than your mind and managed to shoot out of it. It was UGLY, but I made a clean kill. I didn't get scope ringed, but another couple of mm's less of eye relief and I'd of had the red ring of shame. As it was I got a smudge on my shooting glasses. Sometimes what works on a bench is irrelevant for real world adventures. Big Smile
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 "midgets"?!?!
 
 Now nb,this a VERY PC forum. Around here they're called "vertically challanged".       Whistling
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Personally I would take the 3-9 Super Sniper over all of the other choices as a large game  hunting scope even though it is not designed as such. I like to dial in correction for trajectory compensation and even if I didnt it is the only one of the group that has a reticle that can be used for hold over at any power.  Most balistic reticles are second focal plane and work for hold over at only the highest power.  The 3-9x42 Super Sniper is first focal plane and the reticle appears to grow from smaller at low powers to larger at higher powers but this makes the mil dots always stay one mil apart at what ever power you are using.  Since you will make your balistic chart in tenth mils for trajectory http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi  you will know that if some distance is say  300 yds  2.5 mils of drop that you have two ways that you can correct you can either hold over using the mildots  half way between the second and third dot or you can dial in the clicks on the tactical knobs.   I have two of these 3-9x42 Super Sniper scopes and both are on 300 WM hunting rifles however you should consider that the reticle at the low end 3x is quite fine and small in appearance and in low light probably not as rapidly acquired as the other models mentioned however this changes as power is increased and it is quite suitable for fairly low light at 6x where I like to be.     I will also suggest that there are some other scopes that I would strongly recommend that are not on your list. 

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Originally posted by cowski cowski wrote:

p s with current equipment i make shots up to 425 yds ,with a target knob or holdover reticle i may make it too 500.it would increase my percentage on 350 +. thanks again.
 
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The team has laided it out nice and clear. But ofcourse I have to agree, I've learned 90% of what I know about scopes from them. I only chim in to second your thoughts on the SS. Target knobs take away most of any guess work when coupled with a range finder. When shooting beyond 400yds. dialing to distance gives the best ethical possibilities. Obviously we don't want to simply "HIT" the animal, we what to make a clean kill. The added plus is you get equally good glass for the money. I will likely get a SS for my next mid-range scope. Let us know what you do and post some pics if you can.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  "while true on paper, the fact is that if you use proper technique the 4200 is fine even on hard kickers"
 
  "but lacks the eye relief if used on a HARD kicker"  I shoulda added "in some odd shooting positions you may encounter while hunting."
  

that i wont argue with that at all, i hope it works out on my .300wby, if not i guess i will have to get a zeiss.Wink


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