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Looking for a new rifle this fall and just wondered what you guys thought was the best rifle out of the box for the following?

Remington 700
Ruger M77
Winchester Model 70
Browning X-Bolt
Kimber
Weatherby Mark V

I'l looking for a .7mm-08, .25-06, .270, or .308.

Tell me what you like about the particular model that your suggesting.  Thanks guys always nice to get opinions with people who have experience with rifles.   
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really in the wrong section, but I wouldn't choose any of those.  I would choose a Savage.  Just my opinion though.
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I just bought an X-Bolt for my daughter and it's a "tack driver". I'm very impressed with it's "out of the box" accuracy.

I've always had good luck with Remington 700's.

Another one that's very good but not on your list is Sako.
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While not an xbolt, I got a 300 WSM abolt not to long ago.  With the tiny pencil barrel it shot under 1 inch with the first load I tried.  
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 They're all decent shooters(or you can get a lemon in any of them).  My advice would be to try as many different rifles and chamberings as you can get your hands on.  You'll find one you REALLY like.
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Moved from scope section. Carry on gents.....
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My experience would tell me Savage is the rifle to beat coming out of the box. Whether it's a $300 dollar kid gun or a $1500 top of the line, 99% of the time you're getting a tack driver at 100 yards. I have an old model 3 in .270 that will shoot sub MOA all day long and the company has only gotten better since the 90's.
 
I'd steer clear of Ruger and Kimber personally. Both don't have the QC of some of the others up there imo when it comes to rifles. It's amazing how many problems i read and see regarding Kimber products. For what you pay for their products, you would expect to see mostly positive reviews.


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a year(ish) ago i bought my son a tikka t3 (sako) in 270win.  the first 3 rounds i fired out of it were about .5 moa.  i bought myself a sako a7 in 7mm mag earlier this year and it has been about as accurate.

the reason i didn't buy another tikka was the magazine.  it is really easy to tap the release and drop the mag accidentally, other than that i don't have any major complaints about the rifle at all.  a lot of folks don't like the "plasticy" feel of the stock, but i don't find it any worse than any other manufacturers base line sythetic stock.

my sako... the magazine has a safety feature where  you have to press upward on the front corner to actuate the release... much less prone to accidental dropping :)  other than that, it feels really similar to the tikka... the stock has a slightly raised comb, the tikka does not.  i also did not buy the ST (soft touch) model of the A7 and kinda wish i'd spent the extra 200$ on it, but i'll probably just get a custom stock a little down the road anyway, so meh.

i also have an older rem 721 that i could never really like.  it's not the same as current 700's, but as 300 said, try a lot... if you can't shoot a lot of different rifles, at least hold a lot of different rifles, see how they feel in your hands, how the feel shouldered, ect.  if it's not comfortable to hold, it's going to be that much more difficult to get good groups with.
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If we are talking about "out of the box" performance, I would remove Remington from that list.

Everyone's mileage varies, of course, but I have never seen a (modern day) run of the mile Remington rifle that did not need some work out of the box to be able to run with out-the-box Savages, CZs and Tikkas.

Remington does make great platform guns with an abundance of available aftermarket parts, but "out of the box" I prefer other guns.

As for the rest of your choices, I have very limited experience with Brownings and Weatherbies.  Current production FN-made Winchesters are reputed to be quite good.  Ruger seems to have gotten a fair bit better in the last few years as well.

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Well, if you take out-of-the-box to mean anything the manufacturer customarily makes available to retailers, then there are Remingtons like the 5R, LTR and PSS that qualify. But they tend to be closer to a grand when the Savages start becoming tack drivers @ less than half that. The thing with a Remington is that if you're inclined to replace parts or augment it there is quite an aftermarket for that.
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I'm now inclined to say the new Weatherby Vanguard S2 should be on that list as well, having just picked up and shot my first one. The new 2 stage match trigger is very nice, and this thing shoots lights out. For $469, I'd say Wby hit a grand slam! They are guaranteed to shoot sub-moa, and this one will easily with cheap factory winchester powerpoints. I haven't shot it enough to really know what it's capable of, (just picked it up this morning) but I pulled the first shot after getting it sighted in, (not a cold bore flyer, but a cold shooter) I then shot 2 more into a slightly oblong hole, making the whole group about .7"......I'm wanting to try again.......Without pulling the first one. My buddy shot 2 shots after that, and they went in the same hole.
On another note.....I'd say the Mark V gets a vote for reliably accurate....although maybe not tack driver accurate. You know when you buy one, it will shoot 1.5" or better, or Weatherby will make it do so. Any more I expect any new rifle to be able to shoot that well though, whether they are guaranteed to or not.

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STEYR, CZ, SAKO, SAVAGE...


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I think the best deal going is to find a savage 10/110 or stevens 200 (axis or whatever it is I would shy away from)  Buy a custom barrel and stock, maybe SSS recoil lug, and have a custom rifle for much less than anything else that would come close for the same price.


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There are plenty of things to like and not like about just about any factory rifle out there.  There is no right or wrong answer to the "which is the most accurate/ most reliable/ best out of the box rifle" question.  There are certainly some rifles that have a better reputation for precision, but there are good and bad specimens that leave every manufacturer's factories.  Which one you get is a roll of the dice.  The only way to ensure you get exactly what you want is to either buy a used rifle of proven performance or have a custom rifle built. 

All of the brands / models listed will be equally reliable for the most part, as is usually the case with bolt actions in general, being mechanically simple, robust designs.  Spending more on a rifle doesn't always yield greater precision, unless you're buying a semi-custom or custom rifle specifically built for accuracy.  In fact, when it comes to factory rifles, with few exceptions, there's really no correlation between retail price and realized precision.  Most of the time, spending extra $ provides extra features, upgraded cosmetics, better finish, nicer wood, etc... but not tighter groups on target.


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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

STEYR, CZ, SAKO, SAVAGE...


 
I wondered where you've been...  How are you?
 
I've had really good luck with Brownings and Winchester Model 70's...
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My vote would be for the Browning X-Bolt.  The rifles have a lot of nice features from the factory.  The looks are somewhat different but looks are subjective anyway.  I found my X-Bolt to be very accurate, especially if I allowed time for the barrel to cool when shooting for groups.

Another to consider that is not on your list is the T/C Icon.

I just bought a FN made Winchester M70 Extreme Weather and hope it is as accurate as my X-Bolt.  I can say if the accuracy on the M70 is as good as the fit and finish, then it should be a great shooting rifle.  I have a Zeiss Conquest sitting in the safe waiting for the Winchester....just waiting for the mounts to arrive!


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All of my Remington M700's are great shooters. The bolts are easy to tear down and parts are everywhere.
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I have probably owned at least 30-40 different rifles over the years maybe more. They have covered multiple versions of most of the brands you mentioned. All have been very close on the average, too close to say one is definaely going to be the best. The best shooter I believe I ever had is a older vanguard dlx 243 that would shoot into your thumb nail at 100 yds. I would say however I have tended to have very consistant luck with the remingtons I have owned bt I will say I don't believe I've owned one that has been made in the past 20 yrs. Savages have done well for me as well as rugers and the 3-4 winchesters I've had. Funny but the least impressive guns I've owned tend to be various mauser based rifles. Of all my rifles I currently have an older 700 mtn rifle that I really like and a ruger 77 in 257 that has had the stock reworked and slimmed down to close to the same contours as my mtn rifle. I just like the classic style of the mtn rifle stock and it's light weight, so of the ones you mentioned a 700 mtn rifle or maybe one of the kimbers (I've never owned one) would be my choice.

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Based on customer comments over the past yr. the Savage has topped the list for out of the box accuracy. I'm often asked to take new rifles to the range and sight in and check accuracy. Most of the 700 Remingtons lately want to throw the cold bore round off from a 3 or 5 shot group. Not enough to matter if your good with 1 to 1.5 overall group but accuracy for my liking is at least under 3/4 at 100yds. I hear good talk about the Winchesters but the others we don't see around here so often.
Back to the Remingtons, if you sight to the cold bore round and shoot a cold bore group most of the time you'll get 1/2" groups but most folk don't have the patients for that.
Let us know what you go with and good luck on picking a shooter.
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I hear that Kimbers can be hard to get sometimes.  I've shot a Remington 700 for the last 10-12 years having owned three of them two in .243 and one in 300 win mag.  The .300 win mag made me a little recoil sensitive so I went to a .243.  I've hear that the 7mm-08, 25-06 and the .308 with reduced recoil ammo is a nice shooting rifle.  I'm starting to narrow down what I'm looking at.  I can't get a Sako or a Tika from my local gun shop at leas in a new model unless a trade in used one comes in. 
Now I'm down to the following

Remington 700
Browning X-Bolt 
Winchester Model 70
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You can always get a new on online from a dealer and have it sent to your local shop if they allow, normally they charge a small fee for the transfer and thats it.
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Back to the Remingtons, if you sight to the cold bore round and shoot a cold bore group most of the time you'll get 1/2" groups but most folk don't have the patients for that.

That's why I always bring 2-3 rifles with me! I'll fire a round every 5 minutes or so out of my .308s and fill in the dead time with lots of .22 fire. Around here, any shot you take during hunting season is going to be cold bore.
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  A .25-06 doesn't need a reduced load.  Doubt if you'd know the the diff between it and your .243.
 
  
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

You can always get a new on online from a dealer and have it sent to your local shop if they allow, normally they charge a small fee for the transfer and thats it.


this, i was able to get exaclty the rifle i wanted locally, could have walked into the store and walk out with it... but it would have cost me ~300$ more.  i ordered from an etailer and saved myself, as stated, 300$ (270, the FFL fee was 30$).  I actually had the rifle shipped from pennsylvania and i live in washington state.

don't base what you want to buy on what's locally available to you.  if you just want to handle a weapon and it's not readily available to you at the store, look for shooting  clubs or gun clubs where you can rent weapons.  they can be very accomodating to a potential new client/member and generally have people who are very excited to talk about guns working there :)
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