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I have posted before on this subject but still can't decide!
 
Tikka t-3 lite .243 its soul purpose to kill coyote. Mostly in forested areas but open desert too. Basicaly all purpose from 10 yards to 400 yards. Lets be realistic. 400 yards is mostly a fantasy. Fact is 75 percent of coyote are killed within 100 yards.
 
I want to keep the overall rig lightweight and easy to carry this is a huge concern.
 
I have ruled out the 1-5x20 scopes while I think its probably good for almost all coyote hunting it won't be able to take advantage of the .243's range.
 
Now I am considering
 
Leupold ultralight vx-II. 2-7x28. I'm just wondering if opticaly this scope is a big compromise for less weight. I can deal with it being a little darker on the highest settings but what about the eye box etc. It looses alot of eye relief. It has a smaller FOV then the other scopes. (2.5-6.5)
 
Leupold vx3 1.75-6x32 (actualy 5.5)
 
nikon monarch 2-8x32.
 
I'm open to suggestions on other similar scopes priced 250-400. The nikon is heavy but good fov and a little more top end cheaper too.
 
I'm looking for a solid performing scope thats a good value too. Leupold just seem to weigh less then most others.
 
 
 
 
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I'd have a hard time ruling out the low power like this when you said yourself the ranges will more than likely be no where near 400yds and if so you can call them in closer.....  if you wanna get a scope to shoot longer ranges with only I don't think the vortex crossfire special is gonna be beat in your pricerange.  Use the crossfire in the off season to shoot long ranges with and the low power to hunt with.  but this is only my suggestion and it ain't worth a lot cause i ain't a yote hunter....yet!

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In the future i'm going to put a 1-5x20 on a .222 I have. That would be enough since the guns effective range is about 200 or 250 yards.

The .243 can kill a coyote stone dead at any distance you can hit it practicaly. Certainly much farther then I have the skills to shoot. This gun needs just a weeee bit more on the top end I think.  while long shots are not common I didn't get a .243 to let that once in a lifetime 400 yard coyote walk away.
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 Would you be needing a scope with GOOD low light capabilities?
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http://www.samplelist.com/Burris-15-6x26-Signature-Riflescope-DEMO-C-P405.aspx
http://www.samplelist.com/Nikon-25-10x42-Monarch-Riflescope-DEMO-B-P305.aspx
http://www.samplelist.com/Pentax-175-6x35-Lightseeker-Riflescope-DEMO-A-P430.aspx
these off the Samplelist look like they may fit the bill.  The monarch has the highest top end at 2.5 but still would be usable and would have the best top end as well.
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Probably don't need amazing low light. I usualy head back to the truck before its that dark and I don't night hunt. I don't need it enough to justify lugging around a 40mm scope or spending a ton more money. it just needs to be adequate for most situations I guess.
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  I've got one of these on my .270 Mod 70 Fwt.  Very nice scope that should work for your situation and is light wt to boot:

  http://swfa.com/Weaver-3-10x40-Grand-Slam-Rifle-Scope-P591.aspx

  Here's a pic to give you an idea of it's size:
  


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FOV is too small. I had a 3-12x42 sightron big sky i just sold. I don't want anything with more then 2.5 on the low end.  I am thinking lower then that would be better.
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oh yeah I dont' want any objective larger then 33mm
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  Both of these are well thought of scopes. In fact I'm considering the Vortex myself.  Both are available with different reticles:
 
 
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Yeah the monarch is a good price and looks to have a good FOV and 8 is more then enough for any shot i'm going to take. Its just heavy.  I'm thinking the eye relief might be a little more constant then they leupy's
 
The leupy ultralight is only 8.2 ounces!
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  I've got a VXIII 1.75-6x32 and can tell you that there is too much of a diff in eye relief between the low X and high X for my liking. Any more,for me,a scope with a constant or near constant eye relief throughout the power range is what I want. The Ultralight is known for being very critical as far head position and therefore can give you slow target aquisition. I'd like to suggest a VXII 2-7x33 but am not familiar with it's ER change from low to high.
 
  Here's one I'm not familiar with but I do have a 1.5-6x42 SII that I like VERY MUCH. I find the ER to be closer than the specs show.Maybe someone whose familiar with it will post:
  
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Originally posted by 527varmint 527varmint wrote:

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Leupold ultralight vx-II. 2-7x28. I'm just wondering if opticaly this scope is a big compromise for less weight. I can deal with it being a little darker on the highest settings but what about the eye box etc. It looses alot of eye relief. It has a smaller FOV then the other scopes. (2.5-6.5)
 
Leupold vx3 1.75-6x32 (actualy 5.5)
 
nikon monarch 2-8x32.
 
I'm open to suggestions on other similar scopes priced 250-400. The nikon is heavy but good fov and a little more top end cheaper too.
 
I'm looking for a solid performing scope thats a good value too. Leupold just seem to weigh less then most others.
 
  


Take a look to see which ones work best in the areas you're most interested in:  weight, FOV, mounting length, clarity, etc.

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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  I've got a VXIII 1.75-6x32 and can tell you that there is too much of a diff in eye relief between the low X and high X for my liking. Any more,for me,a scope with a constant or near constant eye relief throughout the power range is what I want. The Ultralight is known for being very critical as far head position and therefore can give you slow target aquisition. I'd like to suggest a VXII 2-7x33 but am not familiar with it's ER change from low to high.
 
  Here's one I'm not familiar with but I do have a 1.5-6x42 SII that I like VERY MUCH. I find the ER to be closer than the specs show.Maybe someone whose familiar with it will post:
  
 
Yeah the critical eye relief on the ultralight is what i'm worried about aswell as it changeing as you change magnification. Also its short for mounting. The one article posted above mentions you loose depth of field when they make the scope shorter.
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  In reference to my post about my SII.  I meant to say that I find the ER to be closer "to constant" than the specs show.
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that article above said that the nikon 2-7x32 has a fast focus eye piece.  Does that mean there is no locking ring? I hate no locking ring I sent back a 3-12 monarch cuz i didn't know it had no locking ring.
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  None of my scopes w/fast focus eye pcs have lock rings.  I wasn't too thrilled when these started hitting the market as I was afraid they'd move when I didn't want them to.  That was an unwarranted concern.  I've had no problem with them and in fact I've had a vision problem the past couple yrs and the ff eye pc lets me tweak the focus if I need to.  One other thing was that my decision not to buy a scope with that feature was really putting a limit on the number of scopes I had to choose from.
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my coyote killing is different from yours 527.my average shot is 150 yds .the last one i killed was 300+.but i have killed several over 400yds.past that i can not get the holdover right.i have tried hunting coyotes in the woods they seem to circle me smell me and run off.but i have killed them up close too.in choosing a scope from my experience i would look at a 3x9.based on the scopes i own, there is a big difference in field of view, eye placement and eye relief at the same power.to shoot 400yds i like a 9 or 10 top power.i find that i always leave it at 3 for a quick shot and 9 for all other shots.of the scopes i own i prefer leupold eye placement is less critical with it.but i am thinking about trying a conquest or a ss 3x9.
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yeah I had the 3x12 and it just was not low enough power. I kept finding myself wishing I had more FOV on almost every stand. Only in a few huge meadows did I feel it was good but even then i kept it set on 3x. I could NEVER imagine sitting with it on more then 6 on any stand. I also can't really imagine having time to play with the power ring. Usualy I just have a few seconds for a shot.

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I like my Leupold's, and I would put on a VX-3 2.5-8x36 

http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-VX-3-Riflescope-P12643.aspx
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I was able to get to bass pro this weekend. They had a vx-1 2-7 shotgun scope with the heavy duplex. also a 2-7x33 vxII. Right away I knew I want more FOV.  I kind of liked the heavy plex and think the 1.75-6x32 vxIII would be sweet with the heavy duplex. Only dissadvantage is it might be pretty thick  past 300 yards on 6x. Inside 200 yards a big advantage specialy since I hunt alot of dark timber. Thats fine because the .243 shoots flat enough you can just point and shoot to 300 yards. No scope is going to make up for my estimation of range, trajectory, and windage beyond 300 yards. Heck I'm so lazy I don't even get my shooting sticks out half the time and i'm sure not going to shoot 400 yards from a sitting position with no sticks i'm just not that good. I think I might even just stick to .223. Who am i kidding I can't recall the last time there was a coyote hung up past 300 yards. I can count a bunch of times the dogs where within 10 yards.  
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