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Finally got on a new lease and found a hog in this Texas heat.  The first stand I've set up is in a dense area around a small pond/big puddle that holds water all year, but is in very dense woods, so my shooting distance is just shy of 40 yards.
 
At nightfall I began shooting raccoons at about 20 minute intervals, and the very slight report of the rifle seems to be even further deadened by the thick brush.  After 4 raccoons, I gave things a break for about 30 minutes and a small boar, maybe 100-120 lbs, came out and started eating under my lighted feeder.  A shot at the base of the ear caused him to drop immediately, which caused the small raccoon eating next to him to do nothing other than look around for a few seconds.  Less than a minute later, the boar began to convulse violently, so much so that within  2-3 seconds there was so much dust kicked up I couldn't send a follow-up shot.
 
This lasted for about 30 seconds, and I was happy to see he was still on the ground (albeit a few feet from where he fell) when the dust settled.  Up-close examination showed a small entry at the base of the ear and a small exit at the base of the opposite ear about 1/2" lower than the entrance.  Without the small amount of blood trailing from the holes, someone who didn't know where he'd been shot would've had an extremely difficult time finding the holes.  No real damage, just a .30 cal icepick from what I could see.
 
The raccoon who'd gone back to feeding after the pig dropped?  Dead--crushed by the seizing hog.  Bad night for the those guys.
 
Going to try to arrange a line of corn to get a frontal/head down shot between the eyes and ears next time out.  Any thoughts or suggestions on refining shot placement for broadside brain/CNS?  I like the way he dropped, but I didn't like the seizure stuff.  Maybe that was an anomaly, but if there's a better place to hit them, I'm all ears.
 
I've got enough brass now to have a local shop do some loading for me, and I'm thinking a subsonic flat point might be more effective if it'll be accurate enough out to about 50-60 yds.  Any recipes or thoughts/suggestions on this would be appreciated as well.
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lets see some pics
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My favorite load is a 208-gr Amax behind 7.9 of lil gun (12" barrel.)  I go for in the ear or in the eye (if he is quartering toward.)  The only way to avoid the potential for convulsion is to put the round in the spine or the base of the brain - which can be tricky with a bullet that has little/no temporary cavitation wounding.

I've shot the 220-round noses and the 220 soft points, my rifle likes the amax best.  As accuracy is the only priority with subsonic up close shots, I give up a little thump from the round nose or flat nose for the increase in accuracy I get from the 208 Amax.

Be aware that some shooters are turning the amax backwards and launching boat tail first, I didn't like the accuracy so stick to conventional loading.

My advice would be to do a few loads with various bullets and varying charges. (I have had terrible luck with H110 due to temp and positional sensitivity causing severe vertical stringing. ) My best results have been with lil gun and #9.  The 220 round noses hit with authority (very audible when they find their mark on game) but they tend to shoot a little more loose than other accuracy-geared projectiles.

With a Whisper, it is trial and error, try many configurations, you'll find something the gun really likes - and more than a few that it doesn't.

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jjrgr21--  What do you wants pics of?  The rifle, the pigs, or both?  The only picture I have of that particular pig is on my cell phone.  I can take pictures with a digital camera now, and I think I can post them here since I have over 50 posts.  I can pix or email you a picture of the seizure pig, and I'll try to post future pics here if I can figure out how to make that happen. 
 
RC--  Great information.  I'll try some of the new commercial Amax loads and see how they do.  It sounds like you didn't get enough increased terminal performance from the RN/FN to justify the loss of accuracy, so I won't try to reinvent the wheel if there's not a significant advantage to a different bullet style.  The accuracy from the Corbon-loaded 220 SMKs is consistent and good, so I'll stick with those for now.  I'll try to put a round in the ear canal of the next broadside presentation and see if things work out a little better.  Off the subject a little, but my first round from a cold barrel always goes a little high, then things settle in after a few rounds and stay very consistent.  I'm aware that cold barrel shots can have a little different POI than a warm barrel with or without a suppressor and you have to know how each of your rifle/round combinations behave, but I recently read something that made it sound like the suppressor contributed to that, and I guess I missed the explanation of that dynamic somewhere along the way.  Any info?
                                                                                                                                                           
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Free-bore boost, and you see it with suppressors (some say.)  I haven't seen or generated enough data to convince me (with subsonics.)  The experiments I have run, the "boost" gets lost in the SD due to the lower velocities.

Also, bore condition plays a big part. Some shooters lube their barrel before shooting subs ( a patch down the bore with some CLP) that might help with consistency.  I too have a slightly errant  cold bore (cold shooter) shot, but I know where it goes and that is the shot I have zeroed.

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I've zeroed for the cold shot as well, which makes more sense to me than the other way, at least for hunting.  I'm going to skip the CLP before each shot, as I'd rather memorize the change (as long as it's consistent) than get used to doing something that's not practical in the field. 
Good info all the same.  Thanks.
 
What's the basic process for posting pictures?
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There are options:

1.  Post it to photobucket or the like, then paste it in with address flanked by ""

2.  Other option is to click on the little tree icon above and post the image to OT's server.

Zero the cold bore is all that makes sense.  I might try moly coated bullets too.
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The above is a test link to a picture posted sometime in the past couple of years.
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Okay, that doesn't work.  I'll keep working on it.

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Well, apparently I can't get any pictures from Shutterfly to transfer over here, so I'll have to work on getting some digital photos of new stuff and see if I can get that to post.  If anyone is interested in seeing a small sample of what's available in SE Texas from my game cameras in '09 and '10, there are a few photos on Shutterfly.com.  The login is billbeam6@hotmail.com, the password is cyclone6.
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Figuring out how to post pictures.  This is uploading from a card to this site.  Any way to make it smaller?  There's a pig on the tailgate and a couple of raccoons about to join him.  That's the feeder setup next and remote-controlled light on the timer unit.
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Good thread! Thanks. 
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Originally posted by penguin6 penguin6 wrote:

Figuring out how to post pictures.  This is uploading from a card to this site.  Any way to make it smaller?  There's a pig on the tailgate and a couple of raccoons about to join him.  That's the feeder setup next and remote-controlled light on the timer unit.IMG http://opticstalk.com/uploads/13148/IM000032.JPG" height="1536" width="2048[/IMG]


You have to change the height and width in the IMG code. Its a little different than what I am used to but koshkin showed me how.

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I hear that the pigs have wandered into SE Colorado. It would be interesting to go look for them. Probably limited to agricultural lands.

Edited by anomad - July/30/2011 at 09:30
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Thanks for the picture-posting advice;  that looks much better.  I'll play with that IMG code next time and see if I can do a little better.  For the sake of your farmers, I hope the pigs haven't made it up there in any numbers.  It won't take them long to get a foothold if they have.  They're fun to hunt, though.
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Practicing pictures again.
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Subsonic ammo on hogs must take guts probably not good past 100 yards though right?
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The energy and velocity are not much lower at 200 than at 100, so it's more an issue of can you hit the right spot at 200.  If I'm shooting subsonic, I'm in an elevated position, so it's not really an issue of guts;  it's just shot placement.  If I'm at ground level, I've got something that will be more effective, and for either I carry a sidearm as well.

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