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My dream hunt is going after an Alaskan Moose.  I shoot a Rem 700 .30-06 right now and am well aware that it is plenty of rifle to kill a moose, but i would like to buy something with more knock down power.  I am thinking about either a .300 Win Mag or a .300 WSM.  What do you guys think?  Is there much of a recoil difference between the two?  From what I understand the ballistics are very similar.  The rifle i'd be interested in is the Rem 700 CDL or the XCR.  Please give you're opinions on the rifle also.  When we get the rifle figured out I start a riflescope topic.  Thanks! 
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dont ask me about the recoil differences between the two because i own one of each in the same rifles and the 300 wsm imo kicks more than the 300 win mag with the same 180 gr bullet
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 I know I'm going to be a Lone Ranger  on this one, but the difference between a medium .30 and a "fast" .30 is not going to mean a darn thing to the moose. The term "knockdown power" sounds impressive but has no real meaning when dealing with an animal of this size.  There is a real advantage at very long range in the flatter trajectory of the magnums, but moose are generally fairly easy to stalk and are usually shot at close range. You will get a little more tissue damage with a magnum as well, but with either one, he will most likely just stand there and bleed out in a minute or two.  If you need more power than a 30-06, you need a LOT more power, and should probably be looking at a .375 or even a .458. If that sounds outrageous, consider this:  A big moose is about ten times as big as a whitetail. If a 30-06 is an acceptable deer cartridge, then why would a .458, with less than double the energy, be outrageously over the top on an animal ten times heavier?
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recoil is composed of 2 parts-- recoil velocity, which determines the pulse and ft/lbs, a big caliber mag like a 458 in a good stock, has high ft/lbs and gives an apparent shove, while a something like pyros has a high velocity (relatively low in mass) and combined with a not so good comb, gives a very high impulse.

moose hurt easy, after you shoot them they sit down and cry-- while an elk can go for hours (can't catch me you son of bitch).

not liking remington stocks, I would look at a NULA in the shorter mag, or a Ti in a mcmillian, remebering its not the caliber that deals with the recoil its the stock.

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Alaskan weather-- Get the XCR for the trynite coating. I would suggest a 338 Win Mag for more knock down power, and use a 250 gr partition or a 225 gr  bonded round . However, if you're set on the 300 mag --I'd  go with the 300 Win Mag " by a nose" . Use a the heaviest bullet it shoots well, and stick with a premium round. I also agree with Pyro- I think the 300 WSM kicks  just a little bit more.
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in ronk defense i will say that i have seen more than one moose die to smaller fodder than the 30-06 my bro in law shot a younger bull moose with his .270, shot it right in the eye, my mother in law killed one with a .243, my dad shot the biggest bull moose of his life with an old percussion style hawken mzl .54 cal so it can be done with smaller, but here is what is the kicker he's going to alaska where the moose arent the only big animals roaming around, gotta think about the bears up there and i would rather have a 300 of some sort as opposed to a 30-06, maybe even a .338
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Since you already have a .30 caliber I would look at a .338. The magnums will give you a flatter trajectory for long range shooting which shouldn't be done with huge beasts, anyway. The .338 has great penetration and a larger hole. The sectional density on a 250 grain .338 is as good as it gets.
I have a .375H&H which is very similar to the .338. It might be a bit better on the big animals but the .338 shoots a bit flatter and recoils less. Though recoil with either is no problem.
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 Whatever you decide on,  lean toward the premium-class bullets, and go toward the heavy-for- caliber  end of the spectrum to get adequate penetration. If you shoot at one quartering toward or away from you, you may need a couple feet of penetration before the bullet even contacts anything vital. Pyro also brought up a very important point about moose country often being inhabited by big bears, so consider that seriously as well. If I had to do a moose hunt on a tight budget, I guess I'd just grab my 30-06 and go with 200 grain Partitions or something on that order.  On the other hand, if I had a wealthy sponsor backing my adventure, I'd probably think about getting a .375 or .416 made up in a 9 or   10 pound bolt action with a custom-fitted laminated stock and a high-end 1-4x class variable in sturdy rings.
 For that matter, one of the 1895 Marlins in 45-70 would also be a great choice. As this thread illustrates so far, you have a lot of really good options.


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450 marlin maybe?
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dogger we could use you anytime here
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

450 marlin maybe?
 
Absolutely! Another excellent option.
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only bad thing about the 450 is that you are tied to a lever action but the 450 in a browning blr is a nice rifle
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A 200gr. Nosler Accubond from a 30-06 with an MV of 2500 to 2600 fps. is adequate for moose!! You can shoot a 30-378, but if you don`t place the shot well that extra velocity won`t matter!!! The bullet only needs to hit the vitals with proper expansion, without unnecessarily bringing down a tree on the other side of the moose!Shocked
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squeeze a 300wsm will do that ! i shot a deer a few years ago that went through the deer and took out and oak tree behind it, that was cool
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Yep!! That would be a funny site!!! Kinda like a cartoon!!!....................
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one of the guys i was hunting with came over after the shot and saw the tree tipped over beside the deer and said whats with the tree did the deer hit it, i said no the bullet did after it when through the deer!
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I don`t know though!!! Ya think my little Frontier can take on a biiiiiiiiig moose????Eek If I were a bettin man (which I am), I would take the Frontier!!! 
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i dont see any reason why not
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

A 200gr. Nosler Accubond from a 30-06 with an MV of 2500 to 2600 fps. is adequate for moose!! You can shoot a 30-378, but if you don`t place the shot well that extra velocity won`t matter!!! The bullet only needs to hit the vitals with proper expansion, without unnecessarily bringing down a tree on the other side of the moose!Shocked
 
 
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i like being a lumberjack with a rifle, its fun
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I've got a Marlin 336 .35 rem that would probably make a great moose gun.  The 338 is also in the mix for me but was concerned about the recoil.  I can shoot my 30-06 20-25 times without bruising but I do start to flinch after 15 shots or so. 
 
Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming!
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cut that number in half when you start shooting the magnums
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How about 40 rounds with my new 375 Ruger!!!........Going next week!!
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Ronk!!!.................Me! A tree hugger???!!!...............NOPE!!! I am not an enviornmentalist,  global warming alarmist whacko!! Not in that  ********`n  camp!!! No thanks! If the law would allow it, I would rather shoot at America hating, secular, dump the Constitution, appease the enemy liberals, than at trees!!!! Afterall! The trees perform a better service to our country than they do!!!!  
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What we are on page three and have not got to the .350 rem, the 9.3x64 or the .358 Norma? Devil 
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